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Questionable politics and airsofters

Pupa2794

Pupa2794

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I'm having, for the second time in 9 years a desire to fuck the kit off bar a western rig and a revolver and call it a day, and just make stuff. 

Z patches and Wagner patches and general bell-endery. 

I've never done camo wearing or patches or flags, I'm a former soldier and play airsoft completely apolitically. 

I just can't work out if they're edge lords or actual fucktards. 

 
Play to play. 

The "sport" is full of assholes, weekend warriors and wannabes, I just ignore them and wear my "I'M A SPACEMAN" patches, because we're playing cowboys and Indians in the woods (hey, I said bang and you didn't fall down!).

Play for the fun and don't let dickheads stop your enjoyment of something.

 
On the odd time I’ve found someone wearing something in poor taste I’ve always made sure they were left with no doubt that they were hit

Thankfully it’s been years since I’ve seen anyone being silly.  Don’t chuck the sport in.  Are there other sites you could try that have a better vibe?

 
I do theme games at a club that has a great vibe but they're few and far between.

Maybe I should do more there and a change of gear from cqb based to outdoor is on the cards. 

 
Glad to say that I've had no issues with any of the sites I've played at.  Look around find a better field to play at.

 
Pupa2794 said:
I just can't work out if they're edge lords or actual fucktards
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I'd say both. They know exactly what they're doing and are only doing it for a reaction so can play the internet big man later, complaining about how snowflakes are upset by a bit of cloth. Imo the best way to deal with them is make sure the only attention they get is from a few extra bbs (especially to the more sensitive body parts). They're nothing more than attention whores who thrive on creating drama

 
The Z/Wagner-patch douches are just edgelord/Rusfor-simping trash. Don't let them get to you... modern-day equivalent of rocking an SS uniform, accoutrements and all. Absolutely a mix of edgelords, trolls, and people severely lacking in critical thinking, common sense, or basic respect.

If you're having trouble being around certain tools or Walts, and it's spoiling the fun for you, maybe a different scene is on the cards -- if it's particularly heinous I'd have no qualms calling them out on it, or ensure that they make for a particularly popular target that day, but appreciate that approach isn't for everyone.

Definitely spend some time getting games in away from that crowd, keep enjoying your play without the negative elements sullying the mood.

 
A few months ago a guy turned up in WW2 Nazi Germany soldiers loadout. Full on swastika on his belt and on other parts of his kit just no red armband. Problem for me is that it was a normal every day skirmish. I can understand maybe at a WW2 event but it just seems really odd and strange in my opinion to turn up like that and not feel embarrassed of even question yourself. To be fair I would like to see sites start adding regulations on this sort of thing. 

 
I had an interesting one pop up—a guy shows to my local field wearing full Russion kit and kaboodle.

He then starts claiming to have been in the first wave that invaded Ukraine. Speaks Russian, and makes a very convincing claim that he actually was in the first wave.

I have no clue on God’s green earth how he would’ve gotten all the way to Texas from Russia…

…but the field owner sure did kick him off whether he was pretending or not.

 
Pupa2794 said:
I'm having, for the second time in 9 years a desire to fuck the kit off bar a western rig and a revolver and call it a day, and just make stuff. 

Z patches and Wagner patches and general bell-endery. 

I've never done camo wearing or patches or flags, I'm a former soldier and play airsoft completely apolitically. 

I just can't work out if they're edge lords or actual fucktards. 
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I think they are a mixture of the two.  Unfortunately, there will always be a percentage of people in this hobby who like to create controversy or are attracted to authoritarianism.  There are also some who lack the intelligence or awareness to understand what wearing such insignia, be it Z, Wagner, SS or whatever, represents..  They are the same group who use the "It's just banter" defence.

I have only seen two or three players wearing Z or Wagner patches.  One was asked to remove a Z patch by a site owner, refused to do so and was told to leave.

Maybe you need to find a different site; however, such people are spread across airsoft and you will encounter them at most sites.  The best thing to do is to ignore them as much as possible, play your game and, if you do encounter them in the field, make sure it hurts.

 

 
Interesting topic and viewpoints.

A big part of our hobby is dress-

up, let's face it. A bit like @Skullchewer above I'm into my spaceman patches and am definitely a walty Spartan/ODST/DoomGuy/Space Marine. I've seen all kinds of loadouts on the field, including very accurate RusFor (complete with Zs etc) and SS uniforms. None of which has offended me in the slightest. That kind of thing is not for me - I'm into my own personalised look rather than accurate impressions but that's just me. If someone wants to dress up as a "baddie" that's their bag. I'll just do my thing, they do theirs, and as long as we all play fairly and have fun that's all I care for.

Must admit, I do rather like the Space Shuttle Door Gunner patch above... definitely a worthy addition to my Space Marine Beefcake shoulder armour...

Eezer G

 
Cannonfodder said:
Imo the best way to deal with them is make sure the only attention they get is from a few extra bbs (especially to the more sensitive body parts). They're nothing more than attention whores who thrive on creating drama
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The winning answer.  And given that they could go and sign up to do it for real, it's really rather pitiable that their courage only extends to make-believe.

That said...

Colin Allen said:
One was asked to remove a Z patch by a site owner, refused to do so and was told to leave.
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Name and praise the site? 

 
Z patches may genuinely upset someone and spoil their day.   It's an arsehole thing to do.   

If we're worried about dressing up as a force that has taken part in illegal wars of aggression, we'll have to start using Irish Rangers or Swiss reservist loadouts...

A few years ago, I got an ear full from a chap from SA.  He was angered by my wearing 'SWAPO' camo.  It was East German strichtarn as donated to said terrorists/liberation forces/communist baddies/peoples freedom army. 

Most kit has the potential to piss someone off.  Intentionally offending people trying to enjoy a fun day out is not on though.   

 
If we take that view, any war has its oppos and anyone can take offence at anything. Where do we stop. Germans getting offended at British D-Day kit... Yanks offended at VC loadouts... Jedi offended by Stormtroopers... Covenant airsofters disgusted by Spartan loadouts... Next we'd be banning shemaghs as the wrong colour will offend someone (a genuine cultural fopah in the Gulf but we airsofters tend to ignore it, mainly out of ignorance).

Personally, there's good taste to be accounted for, however it's still just a bit of dress-up. 

My great-grandfather fought in the Somme. Another family relative was a Jew who escaped to Scotland with his bro from Poland in 1939 when they were all getting rounded up and sent to camps. His remaining family were wiped out in the horrors that followed. Whilst I'm fully aware and appreciative of history, I'm afraid I am not offended in the slightest if someone turns up to my local field in SS kit with toy guns. Thats just me, again there's the question of what is good taste, and others may be for good reason more sensitive which regardless of my more Liberal views I do respect.

 
Seriously - Z patches ??????????

These types are highly attention seeking and pretty much deserve none of it

But, if we bear in mind that I live in Salisbury, around the corner from the Skripals, am a friend of the Sturgess family and have interacted with the troll defenders of Putin with their disgusting narratives ………… I would be providing a Z ‘player’ with attention via a considerable sense of humour failure

Ebeneezer Goode said:
If we take that view, any war has its oppos and anyone can take offence at anything. Where do we stop. Germans getting offended at British D-Day kit... Yanks offended at VC loadouts... Jedi offended by Stormtroopers... Covenant airsofters disgusted by Spartan loadouts... Next we'd be banning shemaghs as the wrong colour will offend someone (a genuine cultural fopah in the Gulf but we airsofters tend to ignore it, mainly out of ignorance).

Personally, there's good taste to be accounted for, however it's still just a bit of dress-up. 

My great-grandfather fought in the Somme. Another family relative was a Jew who escaped to Scotland with his bro from Poland in 1939 when they were all getting rounded up and sent to camps. His remaining family were wiped out in the horrors that followed. Whilst I'm fully aware and appreciative of history, I'm afraid I am not offended in the slightest if someone turns up to my local field in SS kit with toy guns. Thats just me, again there's the question of what is good taste, and others may be for good reason more sensitive which regardless of my more Liberal views I do respect.
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There is a time and a place 

At least with the SS it was in the region of 80 years ago …… and though taste can be questionable does align with the reenactment element of skirmishing

If a player wants any credibility to just playing airsoft re-enacting Russia in the Ukraine war then they ought to be removing all badges and claiming to be 2014 tourists on a trip

 
Ebeneezer Goode said:
If we take that view, any war has its oppos and anyone can take offence at anything. Where do we stop. Germans getting offended at British D-Day kit... Yanks offended at VC loadouts... Jedi offended by Stormtroopers... Covenant airsofters disgusted by Spartan loadouts... Next we'd be banning shemaghs as the wrong colour will offend someone (a genuine cultural fopah in the Gulf but we airsofters tend to ignore it, mainly out of ignorance).

Personally, there's good taste to be accounted for, however it's still just a bit of dress-up. 

My great-grandfather fought in the Somme. Another family relative was a Jew who escaped to Scotland with his bro from Poland in 1939 when they were all getting rounded up and sent to camps. His remaining family were wiped out in the horrors that followed. Whilst I'm fully aware and appreciative of history, I'm afraid I am not offended in the slightest if someone turns up to my local field in SS kit with toy guns. Thats just me, again there's the question of what is good taste, and others may be for good reason more sensitive which regardless of my more Liberal views I do respect.
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Yep, that's about right I reckon.   

 
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