NYLON combat Raiders vs metal

The BOT is most likely gonna be the same as the other Combat Machines, except you're getting a KeyMod rail (limits your attachment options because the rails for them can be harder to find / more expensive)

It also comes with a MOSFET but the guns are let down by them as G&G ones are notoriously bad.

 
I "think" the BOT is still polymer/abs and about £170-ish

so when you compare that to a £150 metal GC16 - you are paying more for plastic receiver & a so-so mosfet at best

The CM18 is a sexy looking gun and perhaps is one of my favourites

said before shame they didn't do a 30th CM18 or Raider instead of the 26 30th edition

(GC16 (front wired) classic style handguard so to speak is great but should of done a Raider/CM18 (rear wired) with RIS/rails)

I'd have paid a bit more for a metal Raider/CM18

Raiders are great starters @ £123 I do think the long is perhaps too long @ 357 and the short is uuhhmm perhaps a tiny bit too short @ 233

and I love the 275 GC16 & CM18 as I feel they are perfect all rounders imho

FireHawk's are great headturners - dinky mofo's that you will always get comments - usually:

"F*ck me that's loud"

I will admit it can get on your nerves and also your team mates too all day long - especially in echo places like cqb tunnels etc....

But wtf - at least ya team will know if you are still in game defending/attacking on other side

I do not get commision for G&G and I don't think the sun shines out of their ar$e either

I totally slate the new DSG FireHawk out of the box, and even with tweaks I'm unsure as to if she will really last long term

I strongly urge anybody to think seriously about getting a DSG FireHawk - they are that bad and no semi and pi$$poor DSG performance amongst poor crafstmanship in the build etc........

Normal FireHawk's are worth considering, they are a good gun - with semi and if you wanted to you can make them quite quick

without needing a DSG build - you could hit 20+ on 7.4v, even higher if you used higher speed 12 13 or 14:1 gears

plus a rewire fet & a stronger neodym motor but go easy as you approach 30rps to avoid damage to piston/box

The BOT I seriously doubt if I will buy, nor the other CQB gun they do - that retails at about £165 - £170

The DSG FH was over the £150 mark I set for a CM (Airsoftworld do CM18 @ £150 others do it for £155)

So taking into account the poor HC05 DSG plus the track record of G&G fet's and over the £150 limit - nah I don't think so

Once you go over that £150-£170 and if ukara'd etc.... you can start to get some nice metal guns

eg: BI-8001 - now this needs a tweak here n there but is nice possible next step up gun

This is just one example but is one I have recently treated myself to though is still to be tweaked properly

I doubt if I would buy a higher end G&G TopTech gun at this moment in time - but that might change perhaps

On the other hand I am not sure about some of their new stuff coming out with super duper electrics

(more stuff to go wrong and not G&G's strong point in the past perhaps)

The split gearbox - well has been out a while in ICS especially

new bb loading system - hmmm kinda means these newer guns may have special bespoke parts rather than TM compatible parts

I'm old school - love the mechanics of the box and its workings etc.....

That all said my own feelings is get a G&G starter you like and just use it out of the box for a while......

After say 6-12 months you may notice the performance has dropped a little

perfectly normal as springs lose tension seals wear etc.....

THEN consider having her serviced/tweaked by somebody or ONLY if you feel confident and can set aside time

should you consider doing it yourself - though if you have some common sense you should be fine

first time is always the worst - but they are very nice guns to work on so I can say they are not as bad as my first few guns

Read up as always - ask loads, take pictures & above time and you should be fine

a little service tweak at first - correct AOE seals/nozzle maybe new m100 spring

then later maybe you can look to upgrade her if you so wish (motor faster gears fet etc....)

keep it sensible - I really do think a gun firing between 20-30 is enough for most peeps in UK

The faster they fire the shorter it will last - in general terms, also the CM is not a CNC gearbox - so don't go real nutz

you could replace the small tamiya on there with a deans connector asap - but keep battery to 7.4v lipo

(do not go for 11.1v lipo without a fet - in fact if you do the upgrades later on you probably won't really need a 11.1v)

 
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Sitting Duck said:
I "think" the BOT is still polymer/abs and about £170-ish

so when you compare that to a £150 metal GC16 - you are paying more for plastic receiver & a so-so mosfet at best

The CM18 is a sexy looking gun and perhaps is one of my favourites

said before shame they didn't do a 30th CM18 or Raider instead of the 26 30th edition

(GC16 (front wired) classic style handguard so to speak is great but should of done a Raider/CM18 (rear wired) with RIS/rails)

I'd have paid a bit more for a metal Raider/CM18

Raiders are great starters @ £123 I do think the long is perhaps too long @ 357 and the short is uuhhmm perhaps a tiny bit too short @ 233

and I love the 275 GC16 & CM18 as I feel they are perfect all rounders imho

FireHawk's are great headturners - dinky mofo's that you will always get comments - usually:

"F*ck me that's loud"

I will admit it can get on your nerves and also your team mates too all day long - especially in echo places like cqb tunnels etc....

But wtf - at least ya team will know if you are still in game defending/attacking on other side

I do not get commision for G&G and I don't think the sun shines out of their ar$e either

I totally slate the new DSG FireHawk out of the box, and even with tweaks I'm unsure as to if she will really last long term

I strongly urge anybody to think seriously about getting a DSG FireHawk - they are that bad and no semi and pi$$poor DSG performance amongst poor crafstmanship in the build etc........

Normal FireHawk's are worth considering, they are a good gun - with semi and if you wanted to you can make them quite quick

without needing a DSG build - you could hit 20+ on 7.4v, even higher if you used higher speed 12 13 or 14:1 gears

plus a rewire fet & a stronger neodym motor but go easy as you approach 30rps to avoid damage to piston/box

The BOT I seriously doubt if I will buy, nor the other CQB gun they do - that retails at about £165 - £170

The DSG FH was over the £150 mark I set for a CM (Airsoftworld do CM18 @ £150 others do it for £155)

So taking into account the poor HC05 DSG plus the track record of G&G fet's and over the £150 limit - nah I don't think so

Once you go over that £150-£170 and if ukara'd etc.... you can start to get some nice metal guns

eg: BI-8001 - now this needs a tweak here n there but is nice possible next step up gun

This is just one example but is one I have recently treated myself to though is still to be tweaked properly

I doubt if I would buy a higher end G&G TopTech gun at this moment in time - but that might change perhaps

On the other hand I am not sure about some of their new stuff coming out with super duper electrics

(more stuff to go wrong and not G&G's strong point in the past perhaps)

The split gearbox - well has been out a while in ICS especially

new bb loading system - hmmm kinda means these newer guns may have special bespoke parts rather than TM compatible parts

I'm old school - love the mechanics of the box and its workings etc.....

That all said my own feelings is get a G&G starter you like and just use it out of the box for a while......

After say 6-12 months you may notice the performance has dropped a little

perfectly normal as springs lose tension seals wear etc.....

THEN consider having her serviced/tweaked by somebody or ONLY if you feel confident and can set aside time

should you consider doing it yourself - though if you have some common sense you should be fine

first time is always the worst - but they are very nice guns to work on so I can say they are not as bad as my first few guns

Read up as always - ask loads, take pictures & above time and you should be fine

a little service tweak at first - correct AOE seals/nozzle maybe new m100 spring

then later maybe you can look to upgrade her if you so wish (motor faster gears fet etc....)

keep it sensible - I really do think a gun firing between 20-30 is enough for most peeps in UK

The faster they fire the shorter it will last - in general terms, also the CM is not a CNC gearbox - so don't go real nutz

you could replace the small tamiya on there with a deans connector asap - but keep battery to 7.4v lipo

(do not go for 11.1v lipo without a fet - in fact if you do the upgrades later on you probably won't really need a 11.1v)
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ok yea cheers for the advice. im getting my gun off airsoft world and they have a deal on for the king kong 2014 burst fire wizard mosfet for an extra tenner so a third of the price. im defo gunna get it with my combat raider so the fet on the 300 bot wont actually matter because im buying a better fet to replace it and if i burns out or im not happy with it i can solder the new one in and surely a fet is better than no fet t all??. my problem with the cm 18 is that the black and tan will look crap with a third 2 tone colour on it (im not ukarra'd yet) an i dont want to spoil a great looking gun.

 
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Blimey - ya didn't have to quote everything - lol

aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes I see your dilemma......

best thing I can suggest is contact airsoftworld and have a chat, they have a bloke there that does the 2-toning

and he is very creative to say the least - they do some "wasteland" style schemes, not cheap but shows there are options perhaps

certainly better than say some other 2-tone styles out there:

http://airsoftzone.co.uk/airsoft-guns/two-tone

some of the guns in the above link are feckin' hideous to say the least

yes the cm18 could be pig ugly if 2-toned over the sexy 2-tone it comes in, maybe they could blue up some of the tan bits

leave black receiver and just paint some of the easier to get to bits so to speak - grip, sights, crane stock etc.....

Have a chat with them - if you are paying for a 2-tone service on top of the gun then its only natural you would wanna check & discuss it

The Kong II is worth getting at that discounted rate, I admit I haven't fitted and played with mine all wired properly in

but it is supposed to be a proper fet that performs well once wired into trigger

the "avacado" ones are not proper fets they are just a plug in burst wizrad that do work ok but a bit hitn miss on some guns/batteries

The Kong can be used in plug/play mode for time being but it is designed to be properly wired into triger contacts as a fet to really unlock it fully

For a discounted price of a tenner I also said yes please as any basic fet would cost you £10+

Once a gun is fet'd externally (outside the gearbox), then the main work is done and mosfets can changed very easily or quickly

once the trigger is wired up to a fet and the motor wires run in new wire - that is the main bit of installing a fet

yeah email or give them a quick ring and speak to them about 2-tone options - can't hurt, and sure you both can sort out something

A raider is maybe a good cheaper option for getting rails and short one would be ideal for cqb too

2-tone can be "altered" or assisted in general "wear" quite easily unless some paint is accidently spilt on it

The GC16 has a nice long run of rails on top and a bit of rail space option on handguard to mount grip

it is also quite sturdy unlike some other hanguards which is very loose & wobbly - snakeskin looks nice I will admit

all the CM's are just tarted up carbines - just with slightly different externals/barrels - all good sturdy internals inside

 
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Sitting Duck said:
Blimey - ya didn't have to quote everything - lol

aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhh yes I see your dilemma......

best thing I can suggest is contact airsoftworld and have a chat, they have a bloke there that does the 2-toning

and he is very creative to say the least - they do some "wasteland" style schemes, not cheap but shows there are options perhaps

certainly better than say some other 2-tone styles out there:

http://airsoftzone.co.uk/airsoft-guns/two-tone

some of the guns in the above link are feckin' hideous to say the least

yes the cm18 could be pig ugly if 2-toned over the sexy 2-tone it comes in, maybe they could blue up some of the tan bits

leave black receiver and just paint some of the easier to get to bits so to speak - grip, sights, crane stock etc.....

Have a chat with them - if you are paying for a 2-tone service on top of the gun then its only natural you would wanna check & discuss it

The Kong II is worth getting at that discounted rate, I admit I haven't fitted and played with mine all wired properly in

but it is supposed to be a proper fet that performs well once wired into trigger

the "avacado" ones are not proper fets they are just a plug in burst wizrad that do work ok but a bit hitn miss on some guns/batteries

The Kong can be used in plug/play mode for time being but it is designed to be properly wired into triger contacts as a fet to really unlock it fully

For a discounted price of a tenner I also said yes please as any basic fet would cost you £10+

Once a gun is fet'd externally (outside the gearbox), then the main work is done and mosfets can changed very easily or quickly

once the trigger is wired up to a fet and the motor wires run in new wire - that is the main bit of installing a fet

yeah email or give them a quick ring and speak to them about 2-tone options - can't hurt, and sure you both can sort out something

A raider is maybe a good cheaper option for getting rails and short one would be ideal for cqb too

2-tone can be "altered" or assisted in general "wear" quite easily unless some paint is accidently spilt on it

The GC16 has a nice long run of rails on top and a bit of rail space option on handguard to mount grip

it is also quite sturdy unlike some other hanguards which is very loose & wobbly - snakeskin looks nice I will admit

all the CM's are just tarted up carbines - just with slightly different externals/barrels - all good sturdy internals inside
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just bought my gun (snake toned) , peq 15 box, rds (holo style), 9.4 batt + smart charger, vert grip, and a few other goodies. will post a pic when iget everything. cheers for all the guidence guys really appreciate it. now cant wait to play my first game with it. thinking the mall in reading.

 
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