New Site - Hertfordshire - Your thoughts required !

GiantKiwi said:
That's the typical for a hire, not a walk-on, play time average in this area is about 7 hours, with longer in the summer months. £45 is half of what you'd pay for an event like AI500, which is usually on a considerably larger scale than you've mentioned.
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I can name around 5 Airsoft Skirmish Site operators within 1.5 hour drive from our location that charge the following:-

£25 walk on

£50 hire ( on average )

( Discounts for memberships) 

There are of course more expensive sites that use unique locations. 

Those sites start their gameplay between 10.00 and 10.30hrs and finish between 16:00/16:30 hrs. Take an hour break for lunch and breaks between games and our figures are correct.

I have just checked the current cost for a well established MILSIM Organiser for an event in April.

£60 to £70 depending on booking as a walk on. Add £20 to hire. For a 12 hour day. ( In fairness that may go longer depending on the site they are renting ) 

We are very aware that cost is important to the community and we are doing our best to keep costs down. 

Russ

 
How many players are you legally permited to be on the site at any given time/day?

 
Yeah your costs are accurate for the area, I pay between 25-35 quid a day and I go an hour to hour and a half from London. Not to say there are not cheaper sites. But £30 walk on for a day skirmish is about average for down here in my experience. 

I would pay 40/45 for this particular day. The only thing which puts me off is the fact it would mean an early start and a hell of a long day (being the driver) I dont fancy the travel back after a knackering day of skirmishing!

But im a lazy sod. If I could make the date I would be seriously interested in playing!!

 
Albiscuit said:
Yeah your costs are accurate for the area, I pay between 25-35 quid a day and I go an hour to hour and a half from London. Not to say there are not cheaper sites. But £30 walk on for a day skirmish is about average for down here in my experience. 

I would pay 40/45 for this particular day. The only thing which puts me off is the fact it would mean an early start and a hell of a long day (being the driver) I dont fancy the travel back after a knackering day of skirmishing!

But im a lazy sod. If I could make the date I would be seriously interested in playing!!
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We will do our best to accommodate lazy sods !

Appreciate your comments, in all seriousness if feedback dictates we could run from 10.00am in the summer months. 

Russ. 

 
Costing is good and fair for the product we can expect.

(Cheaper per hour than the local skirmish sites!)

Remember the expertise of the people running this potential MilSim site.

 
RussAFO said:
In regard to cost and timings details below.

0800 start time, finish time between 1800 to 2000hrs. At least a 10 hour day. Expect trigger time all day.

( the potential of a 30 min break when game play allows for a brew ) 

Cost

£40 early booking

£45 on the day.

On the opening day all attending players will be given free membership to the site, which entitles them to discount on further games, plus pyros, ammo and other sundries. 

They will receive a pack of goodies, patches, membership cards/unique ID No., ammo and some other little items we know people will love. 

In relation to costing, Hertfordshire is a difficult area to procure the right sites and that also makes it more expensive for site rentals/deposits etc. ( We are currently in negotiation on 2 other sites ) 

We would like you to consider this.

A typical skirmish is £25 to £30 a day. Max 5 hours playing time, if the day runs smoothly = £5 to £6 an hour. 

Our day is £40. Playing time 10 to 12 hours. = £4 to £3.30 an hour. 

Please feel free to comment. 

Cheers

Russ
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HI Russ,

thank you for the reply, definitely keeping an eye out for this site opening there's a group of about 4-5 of us who normal paly with each other "giggedy" so would look at coming down.

Pricing seems about right for the type of day and location so seems good to myself similar to what the above people have said have paid around those prices for a skirmish and would pay more if its a well run site with great gameplay.

Timings wise, I Like the idea of a later start in the summer months as it will be lighter for longer. Also means, as I am the driver normally, I don't haver to get up at 5:30am lol

cheers

 
Crashtest33 said:
Costing is good and fair for the product we can expect.

(Cheaper per hour than the local skirmish sites!)

Remember the expertise of the people running this potential MilSim site.
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Respectfully, I would pay this price as it seems fair but I would only pay it again if the team who run it prove themselves capable of delivering a quality days Airsoft. However impeccable their credentials in other regards, that is all that would matter. I have attended sites run for a long time by former forces personel or sites with armed response police as part of the Marshal team - and I stopped going (in-part) because they were crap at running it.

 
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skarra333 said:
Respectfully, I would pay this price as it seems fair but I would only pay it again if the team who run it prove themselves capable of delivering a quality days Airsoft. However impeccable their credentials in other regards, that is all that would matter. I have attended sites run for a long time by former forces personel or sites with armed response police as part of the Marshal team - and I stopped going (in-part) because they were crap at running it.
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Absolutely, goes without saying.

Have positive expectations though. These chaps also have extensive experience in the Corporate entertainment/teambuilding industry. I've worked for some of the same companies!

 
skarra333 said:
Respectfully, I would pay this price as it seems fair but I would only pay it again if the team who run it prove themselves capable of delivering a quality days Airsoft. However impeccable their credentials in other regards, that is all that would matter. I have attended sites run for a long time by former forces personel or sites with armed response police as part of the Marshal team - and I stopped going (in-part) because they were crap at running it.
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Hi Skarra

We absolutely agree with you, if we don't get it right, we wouldn't expect people to return and thats just bad business. Service in the Military or police doesn't necessarily make for good site operators. Yes we can bring authentic briefings, tactics and admin, but we favour our corporate event and team building expertise to make a day run well and above all make sure the people who join us have an awesome day. Our priorities are, the players, a sense of humour, good organisation and that we enjoy the day as much as you. We are a service provider and our job satisfaction comes from you guys giving us positive/constructive feedback and continuing to return to our events. 

 
asbo1991 said:
HI Russ,

thank you for the reply, definitely keeping an eye out for this site opening there's a group of about 4-5 of us who normal paly with each other "giggedy" so would look at coming down.

Pricing seems about right for the type of day and location so seems good to myself similar to what the above people have said have paid around those prices for a skirmish and would pay more if its a well run site with great gameplay.

Timings wise, I Like the idea of a later start in the summer months as it will be lighter for longer. Also means, as I am the driver normally, I don't haver to get up at 5:30am lol

cheers
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Hi Asbo

Really appreciate your support thus far. This can't happen without you guys and we really feel that we can fill a niche in the airsoft community and build a great following. 

 
Robert James said:
Thanks, this is not too far from me. 

I know we would definitely look into it more. Do you have news on when the website will be ready for viewing?

Furthermore, I hope this would take place on a Saturday :)
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Hi Robert

Around 10 days for the website to be completed. 

At this time we are looking at a Saturday as game days. 

Many thanks for your support thus far. 

 
RussAFO said:
Still in negotiation, but we can run at 60 at the moment and expect this will rise.

Thoughts ?
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 60 is a great start. Im sure that will rise if you make the events enjoyable/memorable. good luck, hope to be one of the first to partake.

 
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Andyraven said:
 60 is a great start. Im sure that will rise if you make the events enjoyable/memorable. good luck, hope to be one of the first to partake.
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Agreed 60 is actually small for an outdoor site (hell even mall packs 100+ in most Sundays) and I LOVE smaller games and like the sound of the milsim type tactical element which would mean smaller team make things a little easier to manage.

Also Saturdays are great, I get Sunday to rest up  :P

 
Governor said:
Well damn... I've worked Saturdays for the past 6 years and doesn't look like it'll change. Fingers crossed you'll eventually do a Sunday game!
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We promise to switch days to accommodate all those who work the weekends. I remember the shift work vividly ! 

 
Albiscuit said:
Agreed 60 is actually small for an outdoor site (hell even mall packs 100+ in most Sundays) and I LOVE smaller games and like the sound of the milsim type tactical element which would mean smaller team make things a little easier to manage.

Also Saturdays are great, I get Sunday to rest up  :P
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Management of the games is paramount, smaller numbers of players are of course easier to manage. However, inviting those members of the community who want to think a little more about the objectives, play within smaller fire teams and bring their enthusiasm we can promise lots of trigger time. Small can be beautiful. Some of the site topography/ scenario management will create natural firefights, choke points and thinking tactically is important. 

Thanks for the continued support Albiscuit 

Russ 

 
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