Macks airsoft dreamers of the week thread

[EvilMonkee]

I thought we were going to implement a post requirement for people to use the Ads section or am I misremembering?

Also can we just ban Avenger63 now please? Its clear he is operating essentially as a retailer not a private seller

 

[Adolf Hamster]

I thought we were going to implement a post requirement for people to use the Ads section or am I misremembering?

i remember it being discussed, but i think the consensus was to stick with using mack's.

 

[Heist]

So I don't end up on here ? How much would you guys say I should put up my totally stock Silverback SRS 20" A1 Sport for? Only used it twice just didn't get on with it. Thanks ?

 

[Speedbird_666]

Also can we just ban Avenger63 now please? Its clear he is operating essentially as a retailer not a private seller

Playing devils advocate: what exactly has he done wrong? I mean specific rules he has broken? The mods have already said previously that he has, by and large, operated within the forum rules:





To be clear, I've never bought from, communicated with, or met the guy.

So I don't end up on here ? How much would you guys say I should put up my totally stock Silverback SRS 20" A1 Sport for? Only used it twice just didn't get on with it. Thanks ?

Post it up in the Appraisals section: https://airsoft-forums.uk/forum/151-appraisals/

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Playing devils advocate: what exactly has he done wrong? I mean specific rules he has broken? The mods have already said previously that he has, by and large, operated within the forum rules:

that is a fair point, i thought there was a specific rule against retailers plying their trade via the classifieds.

i know there are some strict policies about self-promotion for the various retailers on the forum.

 

[Rogerborg]

If you don’t have the original box I would sell with case.

But offering it as collection only sharply reduces the potential market.

I'd list the gun as postable - granted with the risks of that - and see if I could find a local buyer for the case.

Regarding the risks of posting expensive toys, I wouldn't deal with someone who comes across as a professional angry man, either as a seller or a buyer.

 

[Speedbird_666]

that is a fair point, i thought there was a specific rule against retailers plying their trade via the classifieds.

Don't get me wrong, It does look a bit fishy on face value.

But I will point out a couple of things -

- 1) He is only selling singular Items, many of which have a 'slight' variance on what you would get on a true NIB gun (i.e. some are wired to deans, have got an extra mag(s) included etc.)

- 2) There isn't much consistency with the brands he sells, he basically covers every major manufacturer from ICS to TM, with a smorgasbord of others in between. That is relatively unusual for all but the bigger retailers.

I think (and I could be wrong) he could buy a fuck-tonne of guns with a large disposable monthly income, and bins off anything he gets bored with/doesn't like fairly quickly.

For context: I work for an Investment Bank, where the even the upper-mid-level guys are on six-figure salaries (not me unfortunately). They could drop a grand or two a month on whatever they want, cover their monthly bills and expenses comfortably, and still jet off for two holidays a year. You should see the car park - there must be £50 million quids worth of cars and motorbikes parked in it (again, not me...)

Again, I do not know this guy at all, but there could very well be other reasons why someone would sell in this manner.

 

[EvilMonkee]

Don't get me wrong, It does look a bit fishy on face value.

But I will point out a couple of things -

- 1) He is only selling singular Items, many of which have a 'slight' variance on what you would get on a true NIB gun (i.e. some are wired to deans, have got an extra mag(s) included etc.)

- 2) There isn't much consistency with the brands he sells, he basically covers every major manufacturer from ICS to TM, with a smorgasbord of others in between. That is relatively unusual for all but the bigger retailers.

I think (and I could be wrong) he could buy a fuck-tonne of guns with a large disposable monthly income, and bins off anything he gets bored with/doesn't like fairly quickly.

For context: I work for an Investment Bank, where the even the upper-mid-level guys are on six-figure salaries (not me unfortunately). They could drop a grand or two a month on whatever they want, cover their monthly bills and expenses comfortably, and still jet off for two holidays a year. You should see the car park - there must be £50 million quids worth of cars and motorbikes parked in it (again, not me...)

Again, I do not know this guy at all, but there could very well be other reasons why someone would sell in this manner.

All valid points, but I tend to favour Occams Razor - the simplest solution/explanation etc

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Don't get me wrong, It does look a bit fishy on face value.

But I will point out a couple of things -

- 1) He is only selling singular Items, many of which have a 'slight' variance on what you would get on a true NIB gun (i.e. some are wired to deans, have got an extra mag(s) included etc.)

- 2) There isn't much consistency with the brands he sells, he basically covers every major manufacturer from ICS to TM, with a smorgasbord of others in between. That is relatively unusual for all but the bigger retailers.

I think (and I could be wrong) he could buy a fuck-tonne of guns with a large disposable monthly income, and bins off anything he gets bored with/doesn't like fairly quickly.

For context: I work for an Investment Bank, where the even the upper-mid-level guys are on six-figure salaries (not me unfortunately). They could drop a grand or two a month on whatever they want, cover their monthly bills and expenses comfortably, and still jet off for two holidays a year. You should see the car park - there must be £50 million quids worth of cars and motorbikes parked in it (again, not me...)

Again, I do not know this guy at all, but there could very well be other reasons why someone would sell in this manner.

true, however to counter that argument if he is the type you're describing, how come there aren't any really high end guns? i'm talking fully decked out daytona's etc. sounds like the kind of thing i'd be buying with that kind of cash. same applies to having multiples of the same gun.

if he isn't acting as a retailer then it is problematic to be charging retail prices for secondhand hardware with no warranty (in many cases he's charging more than known retailers like firesupport and even links them in his own ad)

if he is acting as a retailer and providing warranties with his products, then it's down to the forum admins to make a call as to whether or not they're happy with a retailer plying trade via the classifieds, personally i'm not in favour of it but that's just my own opinion and i'm not paying to keep the place running.

 

[Speedbird_666]

All valid points, but I tend to favour Occams Razor - the simplest solution/explanation etc

But whilst there is another valid explanation, and he is operating within the forum rules, why should he be banned? Your gut feeling? That's not a valid reason either.

Don't get me wrong - he could very well be a retailer. But without real evidence, and a change (or clarification) of the Classified rules, it's unfair to keep calling for him to be banned. You've done it a couple of times now in this thread.

Perhaps a moderator could contact the guy and establish his motivations, just to put the matter to rest?

true, however to counter that argument if he is the type you're describing, how come there aren't any really high end guns? i'm talking fully decked out daytona's etc. sounds like the kind of thing i'd be buying with that kind of cash. same applies to having multiples of the same gun.

if he isn't acting as a retailer then it is problematic to be charging retail prices for secondhand hardware with no warranty (in many cases he's charging more than known retailers like firesupport and even links them in his own ad)

if he is acting as a retailer and providing warranties with his products, then it's down to the forum admins to make a call as to whether or not they're happy with a retailer plying trade via the classifieds, personally i'm not in favour of it but that's just my own opinion and i'm not paying to keep the place running.

Again, perfectly valid points too. I was just playing devils advocate.

But until either he comes on here to clarify his intent, or the Mods make contact with him, it's no good sharpening the pitchforks and lighting the torches based on opinion and supposition.

Just my 2p.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Again, perfectly valid points too. I was just playing devils advocate.

But until either he comes on here to clarify his intent, or the Mods make contact with him, it's no good sharpening the pitchforks and lighting the torches based on opinion and supposition.

Just my 2p.

i suppose the main point really as you say if there aren't any specific rules being broken.

i mean he's not scamming anyone and if people are happy to pay retail prices for secondhand kit then that's their decision.

 

[EvilMonkee]

Don't get me wrong - he could very well be a retailer. But without real evidence, and a change (or clarification) of the Classified rules, it's unfair to keep calling for him to be banned. You've done it a couple of times now in this thread.

I just think that the Classifieds should be for the usage of people who actually contribute to the forum rather than the private selling ground of one person which is what he turns it into at times with his spamming of adverts.  But as Adolf says, I dont run the place nor pay for it and this is just my opinion.

Though Jedi did say this on 25 May:

We do not let retailers use the site.  However, a member who follows the rules can sell in the Classifieds. Whilst there may be very many adverts, at least they are actually in legible English, with decent photographs, and prices; which is something some other members fail to achieve.

Upto you to judge whether he is a retailer or not. I think he qualifies.  Either way I will shut up about it now and just block him

 

[Jedi_Master]

Moderator Message

There is a limit of 14 live adverts per 7 days.

Much of the activity (traffic) on the forum is via the Classifieds. Whilst it would be beneficial for all members to actively contribute, they are not required (via post count limit) to do so.

Breaches of the forum / Classifieds rules will be dealt with by the Mods.

Sellers can ask what they like, the buyer has the choice to accept the figure or not. And this topic is to highlight dreamers asking outrageous prices for secondhand goods.

 

[Daver]

But offering it as collection only sharply reduces the potential market.

I'd list the gun as postable - granted with the risks of that - and see if I could find a local buyer for the case.

Regarding the risks of posting expensive toys, I wouldn't deal with someone who comes across as a professional angry man, either as a seller or a buyer.

without having to explain myself over the other day I have spoken to hitman2 and cleared the air...this matter is now closed 

 

[AlphaBear]

It’s a TWO tone £550 TM recoil.....! 3 months old apparently...... and he bought it in blue so that he could paint it in blue camo coz that makes you invisible when playing deep in the depths of the blue lagoon right?

Oh and then there’s Avenger,......

Speaking to a brick wall here..... ?

 

[Speedbird_666]

I just think that the Classifieds should be for the usage of people who actually contribute to the forum rather than the private selling ground of one person which is what he turns it into at times with his spamming of adverts.  But as Adolf says, I dont run the place nor pay for it and this is just my opinion.

That's a fair comment.

I will point out that he seems to have many satisfied buyers (or you could argue 'customers'), that in itself is a good thing for the forum in my opinion. The better the collective reputation of the sellers on here, the more popular this forum will be. You can see that there has been work done to root out scammers with recent announcements and this very thread serves as checks and balances for those who sell on here.

I know you think that he's spamming - but if he's keeping people happy and coming back to the forums looking for more, that's a good thing right? I mean he has more positive feedback and followers than you, me and @Adolf Hamster combined.

 

[EvilMonkee]

I know you think that he's spamming - but if he's keeping people happy and coming back to the forums looking for more, that's a good thing right? I mean he has more positive feedback and followers than you, me and @Adolf Hamster combined.

Thats just cos I am grumpy old git That and my offer of free back rubs for everyone keeps getting me shunned for some reason...

 

[AlphaBear]

He has more positive feedback coz he just keeps selling his private collection coz his wife keeps buying him a lot of toys I mean RIFs. 

On on a positive, he does allow you to collect from his home. 

Oh, I’ve dropped two tone guy to open an appraisals thread. Not sure how’s he’s gonna react to my email though ?

 

[Tackle]

Doesn't the fact that he hasn't spoken up about his situation ring alarm bells, most people would respond to just getting one ad put on Mack's, he's had loads, all of which have caned him on price, especially without warranty, & alleged "newness" ,yet he keeps schtum ?

Sorry, it's moody, yep no one has to pay his inflated prices, but every time he chucks half a dozen ads on regular users, who actually contribute in threads other than the classifieds get their occasional ads bumped down or off the page, & can do nothing about it for a week, what then, he does it again ?.

@avenger63, speak up, answer your critics, cos frankly nobody believes your just a regular player ?

 

[Speedbird_666]

Doesn't the fact that he hasn't spoken up about his situation ring alarm bells, most people would respond to just getting one ad put on Mack's, he's had loads, all of which have caned him on price, especially without warranty, & alleged "newness" ,yet he keeps schtum ?

Sorry, it's moody, yep no one has to pay his inflated prices, but every time he chucks half a dozen ads on regular users, who actually contribute in threads other than the classifieds get their occasional ads bumped down or off the page, & can do nothing about it for a week, what then, he does it again ?.

@avenger63, speak up, answer your critics, cos frankly nobody believes your just a regular player ?

And the gauntlet is thrown down. This should be interesting.