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Imax B6s Are S**t: Change My Mind....

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I see it daily on the various forums and social media.

Little Johnny asks: ‘What am bestest charger’ – the answer more often than not from people that are self-professed ‘experts’ will be ‘Imax B6’.

Little Johnny runs off to Amazon or eBay armed with this advice, punches in the search term, finds the cheapest result and orders it. Problem is – it’s more than likely a fake – knocked-off to the extent that even the logos and holograms are the same on the outside. Unbeknownst to little Johnny, the inside of said charger is a shit-show of cheap and nasty components that will likely at some point fail.

Hopefully, the failure will be benign – maybe a little pop, or a little puff of magic smoke, leaving a dead charger to be consigned to landfill. On occasion though, the failure can be catastrophic, leading to fire, property damage or worse.

Oh, little Johnny picked up a real one from a reputable source? Surely that’s safe...right?

Erm…no.

Here, dear reader, is a story of the catastrophic failure of a real Imax B6 belonging to a fellow (long-time) RC Flyer and Club member local to me. This happened in 2017.

The following emails were sent to the club’s email distribution list. Some information has been redacted for his privacy but spelling/grammar unchanged  - I added the bold:

Hi All

After flying at [Redacted] yesterday I was recharging 3 lipo batteries. Batteries are put into a heavy highly fired pot and lid to contain the battery and reduce fire damage from any flare-up. 

I was close bye to this area when I saw white smoke, then flame and the next instant big flames.

My garage is now a pile of rubble, the fire brigade took 12mins to arrive. The entire roof was gone within 7 minutes of the fire starting; all my rc and models stuff with it.

I hope to see you for our Wednesday meeting and will update you then. I've have spoken to BMFA, my Morgan insurers and hiuse insurers from which I have a suspicion I will not get anything like value back.

He clarified in subsequent emails the following:

My Charger was an iMax just as you've quoted [Imax B6 AC quoted in a previous email] Mine was the true Chinese original: note that Hobbyking and eBay did offer a lesser cost replica by the same name /ref. Mine was c £60  the imitation more like £45. I will go for a better EU origined unit in future, havingnint3rnal resistance of cells - the good wqy to check up on capacity decreasing and therefore health. 

Only 1 lipo 2S 20C 2200mAHrs is every kept near my charging area and is always charged at no more than 1.5Amps. I carefully monitor health by physical inspection of case and leads for damage and capacity check by flight time then checking remaining capacity / cell volts remaining.

The fire spread in a standard brick detached garage with slate double hipped roof, was too intense and too rapid to deal with by far.  I had a fire extinguisher CO2 right beside my charger but in turning to pick it up the heat was too intense to stay there.

The battery on charge was always put into a fireproof heavy highly fired pot with lid!

The garage was roofless in 7mins. The firebrigade arrived 12mins after their call; the station is part time non retained staffed and only 0.4miles away.

I'm fairly sure the fire started with the charger so its an electrical fire

My guess is that even with 1hr fire resisting an integral garage to the home would have taken some part of the home with the fire.

And finally:

1. The Garage Fire
I'm fairly sure now that my fire started with the iMax battery charger while charging my known to be healthy lipo, housed in a heavy earthenware highly fired trough with its  heavy cover over.
 I still can't reconcile myself to the fact that there was so much heat and flame so soon: it was far more than Ive ever seen on YouTube. 
 The battery, receiving electrically erroneous charging - not to its liking - fired very soon after the charger set fire. That's my best guess. 
NOTE: All my stored batteries were on the floor of the garage in a tin box with tight fitting lid with a large stone on it - these batteries survived even though they were well baked but did not add to the fire. These were 2 half discharged and the rest not used that day fully charged.
 
Now, being realistic, the vast majority of genuine Imax B6 chargers will be fine. Mediocre, but fine.
 
The knockoffs will likely work for a bit. Some will last years, some will only last months. Those that fail will likely do so without harm, but there will be some that will be catastrophic.
 
If YOU own a B6, genuine or not, and works great - kudos! But new people, who don't know any better, will be exposed to greater risk with your so-called 'advise'.
 
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it's an interesting story, and the question of fakes is very much a valid one.

however at the risk of sounding too contrary we are talking about a sample size of 1 catastrophic failure, and ultimately any device regardless of quality can fail.

by contrast for example i've heard of at least 5 seperate instances of nuprol 3-led type lipo chargers failing (fortunately all safe failures of a single charging circuit that merely killed the charger and battery), which is why i recommend users to avoid buying/using them.

from the other thread you do have a very valid point though about the b6 being an older design now, although given airsoft tends to be a few years (if i'm being generous) behind the curve of rc when it comes to technology specification wise at least it still fits the bill.

 
I have a degree in self professed expertise, chap.

So, what buy instead?

At the cheap end of the scale, SkyRC S65 or T100.


Thanks, genuinely.  I'm always happy to learn.

 
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however at the risk of sounding too contrary we are talking about a sample size of 1 catastrophic failure, and ultimately any device regardless of quality can fail.


That's a fair comment. I can only go by what I've heard talking directly to the person, and the photos that he showed me. It scared the shit out of the club, we put in a massive bulk-buy order for LiPo safe 'Bat-Boxes' for charging and storage, i still use mine to this day.

I believe that if a genuine B6 can fail, the risk is an order of magnitude greater with the fake ones, even if the risk of catastrophic failure is still relatively small.

I have a degree in self professed expertise, chap.

Please, and I mean this genuinely, just be constructive and suggest a better alternative.  Be the change you want to see.


I actually did originally put some alternatives in my original post, then removed them because I thought it might descend into 'mine's better than yours'. Hindsight being 20:20 I should of offered alternatives which I did in a later post.

 
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I actually did originally put some alternatives in my original post, then removed them because I thought it might descend into 'mine's better than yours'.


Honestly, I'm delighted to suggest better alternatives.  All I can say is that my particular SkyRC branded B6 work and hasn't exploded yet.  But if the S65 and T100 are more robust and less infested with hooky clones, I'm all for moving on.

 
That's a fair comment. I can only go by what I've heard talking directly to the person, and the photos that he showed me. It scared the shit out of the club, we put in a massive bulk-buy order for LiPo safe 'Bat-Boxes' for charging and storage, i still use mine to this day.

I believe that if a genuine B6 can fail, the risk is an order of magnitude greater with the fake ones, even if the risk of catastrophic failure is still relatively small.


i suppose really what it boils down to is a case of how can we ever be sure that to paraphrase your example little johnny doesn't go and get himself a fake skyrc charger with the same risks.

technology is ever changing, the skyrc you recommended does look like a perfectly suitable alternative and reasonably priced from reputable retailers (assuming msuk is still reputable). tricky thing really to be fighting against the pretty common mentality of folk dropping £200+ on a gat but only £10 on charging equipment.

ultimately at some point there is an element of personal responsibility when you're working with these things, best we can do is try and help folk make a more informed decision (which i guess is the point of this thread).

 
a fake skyrc charger


Anecdote involves a genuine B6.

I won't be recommending them again, one catastrophic failure is too much.  I cannot over-stress how much I am not wedded to any particular technology or product just because I happen to own one.

On the issue of "advice", I'm not sure what else we're meant to do other than repeat what we know.  If we don't listen and learn, we can't improve that advice. I'm always delighted to be wrong, it's the only way to improve.

 
My facetious response, and one I 100% stand by, is stick to gas guns. Absolute, total guarantee your charger will never burn anything down.

You may have 99 other problems, but lipo’s isn’t one ?

 
Anecdote involves a genuine B6.


true, hence my original point about any device having the potential to fail, but the bigger issue for the b6 seems to me to be the prevalence of clones.

but you're right that it's worth having these discussions and being open to changing our minds about things.

 
Honestly, I'm delighted to suggest better alternatives.  All I can say is that my particular SkyRC branded B6 work and hasn't exploded yet.  But if the S65 and T100 are more robust and less infested with hooky clones, I'm all for moving on.


To be fair SkyRC have updated the B6 with their 'V2' - but in reality it is a different charger altogether (hardware and firmware) just sharing the design aesthetic of the originals in a smaller form factor. It's also harder to find in the UK from reputable sellers - you tend to still find 'new old stock' of the two iterations of the V1. I'm not aware of any clones for the other models I mentioned (but I'm happy to stand corrected).

tricky thing really to be fighting against the pretty common mentality of folk dropping £200+ on a gat but only £10 on charging equipment.


This 1000%. I've come across several people in my time with their stupid-money uber-guns, but have no means to check muzzle velocity at home as they think that a £50 Chronograph is too expensive. Then wonder why their gun is running hot when checked. Hey-ho.

On the issue of "advice", I'm not sure what else we're meant to do other than repeat what we know.  If we don't listen and learn, we can't improve that advice. I'm always delighted to be wrong, it's the only way to improve.


That's a great attitude (genuinely). But not everyone works that way ('mine is bestest'). If more people did seek to learn, improve, and be open to civil discourse that may be contrary to their beliefs, the world would be a better place. My original post on the other thread came over with a degree of elite-ism that wasn't intentional, which in hindsight was not the best way of articulating myself.

My facetious response, and one I 100% stand by, is stick to gas guns. Absolute, total guarantee your charger will never burn anything down.

You may have 99 other problems, but lipo’s isn’t one ?


I like the cut of your jib sir.

but the bigger issue for the b6 seems to me to be the prevalence of clones.

but you're right that it's worth having these discussions and being open to changing our minds about things.


Thanks for being open to discussion. The prevalence of the clones is the main driver for my little tirade.

 
Do we know if the charger in the openinv post was a v1 or v2?

Im asking because i bought a B6 AC v2 from hobbyking after seeking advice on this forum a couple of weeks ago after my nuprol charger and battery blew up.

I havent used mine yet as i am waiting for an adapter to arrive to change the charging lead from deans to mini tamiya.  (And yes, i do have a lipo bag at home too)

 
I've had my iMax B6 since 10 yrs (the first version) and touch wood it's been superb. It's got the genuine hologram sticker, the prerequisite yellow instruction card and a shed load of leads, well 5 to be precise which technically covers all battery types except wait for it... mini deans! Which I then had to cobble together.. The point is when I bought it many moons ago, there were hardly any fakes around so one was safe in the knowing the product you'd get was genuine.... But still when I balance charge my batteries I do so in an open space (my kitchen) in a Lipo safe bag sat in a tin biscuit barrel (Well the charger and batteries and Lipo bag that is!)...

So recently I thought I'd get a new charger coz things move on say 10yrs down the road and bugger me which one do you get? It's literally a mine field and horses for courses.... Buying something off Amazon is no guarantee of quality due to the marketplace.... so the only options are remote control hobby shops! 

 
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My original post on the other thread came over with a degree of elite-ism that wasn't intentional, which in hindsight was not the best way of articulating myself.


My huff was better than your huff.

Getting advice from the future, so to speak, is great.  I'd rather learn from someone else's misfortune than my own when it comes to burning my house down.

 
This seems like a good alternative.  I have one and it's decent

https://www.componentshop.co.uk/accucel-6-digital-charger-with-5a-power-supply.html


AFAIK that one has been discontinued - it's not even a listed on Hobbyking's site now - I think it's been replaced with the Accucel S60 - which I think is a SkyRC S60 re-brand (which ain't a bad charger - it's been superseded with the S65 model which has been mentioned earlier).

Do we know if the charger in the openinv post was a v1 or v2?

Im asking because i bought a B6 AC v2 from hobbyking after seeking advice on this forum a couple of weeks ago after my nuprol charger and battery blew up.

I havent used mine yet as i am waiting for an adapter to arrive to change the charging lead from deans to mini tamiya.  (And yes, i do have a lipo bag at home too)


I believe - but would need to check with the chap - that it was the second iteration of the V1 (circa 2013), which has been prolifically cloned and knocked-off across eBay and Amazon. If your V2 is genuine, from a reputable seller, the chances of a catastrophic failure are extremely small. Watch some YouTube videos from RC channels on the basics of charging (C rating, balancing, voltage etc) and always treat the charger an batteries with respect - you should be fine.

So recently I thought I'd get a new charger coz things move on say 10yrs does the road and bugger me which one do you get? It's literally a mine field and horses for courses.... Buying something off Amazon is no guarantee of quality due to the marketplace.... so the only options are remote control hobby shops! 


I would recommend the shops that sell racing drones (HobbyRC is excellent) - they are well ahead of the technology curve compared to the old-school model shops with stock that's been sat on shelves for years.

If I had £50 to buy a charger - I would gravitate towards the SkyRC T100 as it would allow me to balance charge two LiPos (on separate charge circuits) at the same time. Disclaimer - I don't own one, but the reviews are decent and I was toying with the Idea of buying one.

I always run two chargers - have done for years - because it halves the time (obviously) to charge your battery collection, but if one fails, I still have backup. It's more than annoying when the skies are clear, the wind is low - a perfect day to fly your RC models (which in some years has been pretty rare!), but you can't - because you can't charge your batteries. Same principle for airsoft I suppose.

 
This 1000%. I've come across several people in my time with their stupid-money uber-guns, but have no means to check muzzle velocity at home as they think that a £50 Chronograph is too expensive. Then wonder why their gun is running hot when checked. Hey-ho


no hobby is immune from it, i tend to find it amusing for example people speccing themselves £1000+ pc's and then spending £80 on the monitor, i mean they're scrimping on the one thing they're actually going to spend all their time looking at....

That's a great attitude (genuinely). But not everyone works that way ('mine is bestest'). If more people did seek to learn, improve, and be open to civil discourse that may be contrary to their beliefs, the world would be a better place. My original post on the other thread came over with a degree of elite-ism that wasn't intentional, which in hindsight was not the best way of articulating myself.


it can be a hard thing for folk to hear something that flies in the face of entrenched beliefs, for sure i know i've been one of those who's oft defaulted to suggesting the b6 and it feels bad thinking i've potentially been steering folk down the wrong path (regardless of intentions).

but what's done is done, better to pick up new information and move forward, at least now we've a nice discussion to link back to on the topic to highlight the potential seriousness of cutting corners.

 
My personal experience is that the genuine B6 is a perfectly adequate charger for Airsoft, but the clones are effectively playing Russian roulette with the chances of a big fireball.

However as an RC flyer myself the B6 is only really adequate for charging low discharge batteries such as transmitter or receiver batteries (which are about equivalent to airsoft AEG batteries). The batteries used by the RC Flying community for actual motive power are absolute monsters by airsoft standards and I would have limited confidence using a B6 to charge one of them (To put it in context some of the batteries in the biggest RC helicopters I fly deliver more peak power than 230v mains at 13A, albeit for a short time). In this application I completely agree with the original post that a much more substantial charger is required to manage the power and heat.

 
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This 1000%. I've come across several people in my time with their stupid-money uber-guns, but have no means to check muzzle velocity at home as they think that a £50 Chronograph is too expensive. Then wonder why their gun is running hot when checked. Hey-ho.


This is my biggest pet peave in the hobby alongside "I'm using the cheapest eye protection I can find on ebay". Mental.

I will say I'm also using an imax but this is a few years old now and I made sure to check everything was legit when I purchased it - holograms, packaging and the like, it's all about researching and sifting through the ungainly amounts of bullshit on the internet really. I'm also only using lower power batteries due to this being airsoft so a simple 1 - 1.2 amp charge does the job for me as I'm never truly in a rush.

It's always nice to get alternate recommendations for newer products though and that T100 certainly looks like a great alternative. Two batteries charging on the go, who'd have thunk it! ?

 
Sorry to hear that terrible story.

I have had a IMAX b6 clone for three years now.i knew it wasn't genuine when I got it.

I use it regularly and have never had a problem with it.

That being said I am never more than five yards from it when charging and keep checking temp of charger and battery

Regards

 
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