Idiots live-streaming on Westminster Bridge with toy gun.

Thats exactly what happened after Hungerford. The home Secretary Douglas He’d went on TV and said our firearms was where strict enough and didn’t need changing. Few months later after press starred em up and they banned semi auto rifles. All they ever want is to be seen to do something, 'taking guns of the street' ( they weren’t on the street ) they don’t care if it actually works.
 
I feel like the UK Airsoft community is a constantly twitching version of American 2A Crackpots sometimes ngl. Constant "they're coming for our guns" despite the only time Parliament has mentioned it since 2020 being a suggestion that the government use Airsoft groups for civil defense training.


Dad's Army eat your heart out, but it doesn't seem to me like there's this big conspiracy to take our toys tbh. Hell most people I meet genuinely have no clue what Airsoft *is*. It's a very insular community.

I get that there was a lot of furore around the VCRA but that was 2006. There are UKARA carrying Airsofters younger than that. 😂
As the guys posting below have pointed out, we're an easy target, & you can guarantee going after our "guns" would be a very public display of the government "protecting its citizens & getting guns off the streets", so many brownie points for actually achieving something, especially if it takes the attention of the crap they're not sorting out.
We all know the truth of the matter is that real criminals can still get real guns, but sorting that would be a lot harder than reducing the amount of rifs in circulation, & if it happened, who's got our backs, anybody with any power ?, not really, we cant even scream about our human rights ffs.
This incident could be a cluster fuck of epic proportions, our best hope it that the authorities don't focus solely on the "gun", but rather take a stand against every idiot streamer that does dumb shit for likes, freezing, & hopefully taking their assets is definitely a good start, money talks after all.
 
Thats exactly what happened after Hungerford. The home Secretary Douglas He’d went on TV and said our firearms was where strict enough and didn’t need changing. Few months later after press starred em up and they banned semi auto rifles. All they ever want is to be seen to do something, 'taking guns of the street' ( they weren’t on the street ) they don’t care if it actually works.
So true. A real criminal will acquire a firearm from illegitimate sources and not give a dam if it's restricted or illegal at all.

Laws just control the legitimate guns for the genuine people. Most I agree with and some I just don't understand. Like the vcra rules, my mate who has a full fac and owns a few large round rifles but he can't walk into a Airsoft shop and get a RIF to use as a training aid for plinking. He does use a 22 air rifle for that was just using that as an example if he wanted to. He also can't get a RIF for the odd skirmish when he tags along with me and expressed no interest in joining a club or getting his ukara.
 
Laws just control the legitimate guns for the genuine people. Most I agree with and some I just don't understand. Like the vcra rules, my mate who has a full fac and owns a few large round rifles but he can't walk into a Airsoft shop and get a RIF to use as a training aid for plinking.

One of these requires UKARA, but the other you can just walk in and buy. 🙄

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I'm ngl I had to look up who Douglas Hurd was; he left office a year after I was born.

I'm just saying that you can genuinely read the Parliamentary record for yourself and see there's no fire behind this smoke.

If nothing else the only reason I ever know these incidents ever happened, is because the UK Airsoft scene poops pant over it every time. The rest of the country doesn't even notice.

Like this happened a week ago. It had no impact.
 
I'm ngl I had to look up who Douglas Hurd was; he left office a year after I was born.

I'm just saying that you can genuinely read the Parliamentary record for yourself and see there's no fire behind this smoke.

If nothing else the only reason I ever know these incidents ever happened, is because the UK Airsoft scene poops pant over it every time. The rest of the country doesn't even notice.

Like this happened a week ago. It had no impact.
Think it depends on what’s going on in the world, if it was a quite news day it would probably get more coverage, with what’s going on at the moment with wars, potential wars, taking over country’s by force, etc, theirs a lot of bad stuff for the media to talk about.
Also as the government wants young people to join the armed services for a year on mass, not looking likely if you can’t trust them to even own an airsoft/airgun.
They can’t have it both ways.
 
I think you're boxing bogeymen in your head tbh.

No one is banning Airsoft. Like I said, the literal only mention of it in five years is about recruiting us to go fight Russia lmfao.
 
One of these requires UKARA, but the other you can just walk in and buy. 🙄

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Well that all depends on where you live...

We need a UKARA or other defence if we want to buy from a bricks & mortar or online business (& occasionally a seller on here), in Scotland we would need an AWP or Firearms Certificate to buy an Air pistol or rifle.

There are many idiots and some ignorant of the law that will cause issues for airsofters & collectors but as for legal or illegal weapons in the UK and their illegal usage all I'll say is... Thomas Hamilton legally owned the firearms he used. Failings by official bodies were evident after the fact.
 
Well that all depends on where you live...

We need a UKARA or other defence if we want to buy from a bricks & mortar or online business (& occasionally a seller on here), in Scotland we would need an AWP or Firearms Certificate to buy an Air pistol or rifle.

There are many idiots and some ignorant of the law that will cause issues for airsofters & collectors but as for legal or illegal weapons in the UK and their illegal usage all I'll say is... Thomas Hamilton legally owned the firearms he used. Failings by official bodies were evident after the fact.
All the major shootings that changed firearms laws here have been because police and official bodies didn’t do their job, the last one in Devon, they actually removed the guys guns because of his aggressive behaviour and then they gave them back, and he murdered 3 people. 🤬
 
Think it depends on what’s going on in the world, if it was a quite news day it would probably get more coverage, with what’s going on at the moment with wars, potential wars, taking over country’s by force, etc, theirs a lot of bad stuff for the media to talk about.
Also as the government wants young people to join the armed services for a year on mass, not looking likely if you can’t trust them to even own an airsoft/airgun.
They can’t have it both ways.
Yep, & just because the man on the street isn't privy to what the authorities discuss behind closed doors, doesn't mean its not happening ?.
@Lyndication , don't forget the only reason why we're subject to the vcra is because of the ease idiots & criminals could buy airsoft rifs, & the number of court cases that took place where airsoft rifs played a part.
It was unnecessary & unwanted attention, 99.9% by people who didnt play airsoft that put our pastime in a dubious light that those in power felt had to be addressed, so incidents like this, literally on the doorstep of the seats of government, will be looked at, we just got thankful that the police response was measured & controlled, had an American been shot, outside parliament, while waving an airsoft gun, presumably bought in the uk ?, we could be facing the worst ever shitstorm of knee jerk reactions.
 
Yep, & just because the man on the street isn't privy to what the authorities discuss behind closed doors, doesn't mean its not happening ?.
@Lyndication , don't forget the only reason why we're subject to the vcra is because of the ease idiots & criminals could buy airsoft rifs, & the number of court cases that took place where airsoft rifs played a part.
It was unnecessary & unwanted attention, 99.9% by people who didnt play airsoft that put our pastime in a dubious light that those in power felt had to be addressed, so incidents like this, literally on the doorstep of the seats of government, will be looked at, we just got thankful that the police response was measured & controlled, had an American been shot, outside parliament, while waving an airsoft gun, presumably bought in the uk ?, we could be facing the worst ever shitstorm of knee jerk reactions.
Thing is they can buy the same thing as an airgun, lot of our airsoft guns are available in .177 bb or pellet versions, so vcr doesn’t effect them in the U.K.
 
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Don’t be too confident that an Airsoft gun is not a RIF

In principle it cannot be a RIF or IF as an air gun under firearms legislation is an airweapon, and a ‘low power air weapon’ does not require a licence (in Scotland it is different), but does have controls on face to face sale etc
As a firearn it therefore cannot be an imitation - ergo the VCRA does not apply …… if anyone feels like it they can look through the many discussions between @Rogerborg and myself with his opinion that an airgun designed to look like a ‘real’ gun is an imitation and me that those that don’t look like a ‘real’ gun are still firearms —— until you get to the post where he highlights a case in court where it is decided that in the circumstances of that case the offending air guns (legitimate low power air weapons) were also imitations, and therefore were RIFs under the VCRA

Legislation is always subject to interpretation in court, and in that case they were RIFs. A case could occur where the defence has to argue that the facts differ from the previous case

(I’m not spending my time looking through the search, and in the second thread that it is mentioned includes me reminding Rogerborg that his opinion is ‘right’)


In a paintball context there has been the common argument that paintball guns cannot be RIFs because they are “low powered air weapons” thus firearms clear of the VCRA and that provided used properly with frangible paintballs are all fine under firearms legislation …… except for the Police Chief Constables fact finding study that advised a well known UK paintball retailer that their products “probably are RIFs and we recommend you make up a UKARA style scheme in case we come back” (they didn’t come back so it became forgotten about)
Then in recent years, grey import ‘less than lethal’ pistols kept being seized at customs. The Home Office, police, border force etc have had further discussion with the UKPSF, and the opinion is that the VCRA does apply with the frangible clause no longer a get out of jail card. Correct Home Office advice is to promote UKPSF player membership as an ‘almost UKARA’ and an understanding that the justice system won’t be taking ‘paintballers’ to court where someone would have to convince a judge/jury/magistrate that the words “Airsoft skirmishing” in the statutory instrument include a silent paintball
Baddies with paintball style equipment don’t get that privilege, but to date have only been prosecuted under firearms legislation etc
 
@Anonymoose
@Mtemprell
@novioman

Don’t be too confident that an Airsoft gun is not a RIF

In principle it cannot be a RIF or IF as an air gun under firearms legislation is an airweapon, and a ‘low power air weapon’ does not require a licence (in Scotland it is different), but does have controls on face to face sale etc
As a firearn it therefore cannot be an imitation - ergo the VCRA does not apply …… if anyone feels like it they can look through the many discussions between @Rogerborg and myself with his opinion that an airgun designed to look like a ‘real’ gun is an imitation and me that those that don’t look like a ‘real’ gun are still firearms —— until you get to the post where he highlights a case in court where it is decided that in the circumstances of that case the offending air guns (legitimate low power air weapons) were also imitations, and therefore were RIFs under the VCRA

Legislation is always subject to interpretation in court, and in that case they were RIFs. A case could occur where the defence has to argue that the facts differ from the previous case

(I’m not spending my time looking through the search, and in the second thread that it is mentioned includes me reminding Rogerborg that his opinion is ‘right’)


In a paintball context there has been the common argument that paintball guns cannot be RIFs because they are “low powered air weapons” thus firearms clear of the VCRA and that provided used properly with frangible paintballs are all fine under firearms legislation …… except for the Police Chief Constables fact finding study that advised a well known UK paintball retailer that their products “probably are RIFs and we recommend you make up a UKARA style scheme in case we come back” (they didn’t come back so it became forgotten about)
Then in recent years, grey import ‘less than lethal’ pistols kept being seized at customs. The Home Office, police, border force etc have had further discussion with the UKPSF, and the opinion is that the VCRA does apply with the frangible clause no longer a get out of jail card. Correct Home Office advice is to promote UKPSF player membership as an ‘almost UKARA’ and an understanding that the justice system won’t be taking ‘paintballers’ to court where someone would have to convince a judge/jury/magistrate that the words “Airsoft skirmishing” in the statutory instrument include a silent paintball
Baddies with paintball style equipment don’t get that privilege, but to date have only been prosecuted under firearms legislation etc
Oh I fully appreciate where you're coming from and agree that law is always open to interpretation in a court and can change depending on the magistrates/solicitors present. That's what I'm trying to say that the vcra law can be too vague with regards to airguns made to look real.
 
Any airgun is classed as a firearm under the 1968 act. They can’t be classed as a RIF or imitation firearm as they are legally low powered firearms.
 

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That I understand. But it's crazy how other than being over 18 there isn't much control on their sale over a rif.
Yes it’s stupid, you can’t buy what is basically a toy without a defence but anyone over 18 can buy a much more powerful airgun from a shop, and without any checks at all if a private sale. Legally the person selling an airgun privately must satisfy themselves that the buyer is over 18, if they ask and the buyer says I’am, that’s it.
 
Any airgun is classed as a firearm under the 1968 act. They can’t be classed as a RIF or imitation firearm as they are legally low powered firearms.
Except for the case that I referenced ….. and that screenshot does not take into account the explicit change to Section 57a of the firearms act that now explicitly removes (compliant) Airsoft guns from being an air weapon - an Airsoft gun is no longer a low powered air weapon
 
Tbf the Defence is as little as "I play Airsoft" and you can get an easy one for free by playing Airsoft. Compared to friends abroad we genuinely have it quite easy, especially for importing RIFs.

And that's if you aren't in one of the other many categories of defence, including film armourer, theatre props, reenactment, or living history.
 
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