G&G AEG CM18 MOD1 for first AEG.
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Nay worries, still, a lot of learning to do before I can understand you properly. I don't really understand what you have written here, but I have no plans to buy and open a (new) TM P90. Don't want to let the fairy dust out.
My current plan is to buy a 2nd hand P90 platform (could be TM) for under £160 (under £80 if broken), and depending on it's condition completely dismantle and reassemble it a couple of times (making documentation). I'd start on this immediately but alas need UKARA even if I don't want to shoot the damn thing.
Once the internals are learned start a plan for "features" and go from there. That US forum has some very comprehensive guides.
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Sitting Duck
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No it's the players that work better in the UK - ooh meeeeoooooowwwwwwDo G&G guns work better in the UK?h34r:
just kidding to any o/seas players
the other bit was just a lot more guides/parts/tutorials on opening up the v2 or v3 gearbox's
(though as far as guides go - you only need one good comprehensive guide and common sense)
as long as you take your time take pics etc... I'm sure you will be fine
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I've got a g&g cm18 mod1 that I used when I first started , I was really impressed with it's performance , pretty solid it's just my backup gun now but my nephews just started playing and he's been using it with no problems
Sitting Duck
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Think they only break if you are american......
Mainly coz G&G send all the faulty guns stateside - they both hate each other
Seriously - it seems "some" US techy's hate G&G big time favouring more of their own stuff
or I think JG and some others who may produce or help to produce the Echo1 guns over there
Perhaps even more G&G hate has emerged as G&G copied seigtek Dual Sector Gear design
(Many techy's hate the cheaper SHS & Modify copies already as it was a US idea/concept and Riot/Seigtek is far superior)
customer wise - even american owners seem to be very pleased with them if you look on US retailer sites reviews
ALL GUNS CAN FAIL - They will very likely fail quicker as they are made to fire faster and more powerfully
Perhaps taking a CM starter box to nearly 35-40rps with 400fps will be pushing it too far - it is not a high end box reinforced etc....
But it is not a bad box by no means - it is a good decent box all the same in a good starter gun.
Me personally think I only need a gun to shoot 20-30rps @ 349.99999999fps - that is plenty for our UK sites
then that will do and try to make it use that properly by improving its accuracy......
I like them and some others do - yes the CM's are not ultra high end - they are not supposed to be at that price
They sell so many of them each year after year - they are not absolute piles of junk that some haters say they are
No G&G are not perfect - some of their higher end stuff has had problems and some of their new stuff emerging I may not be impressed with
but think G&G starter guns - (forget mosfet or dsg Mr G&G) - their starter guns are a good beginners platform to get started with.
Mainly coz G&G send all the faulty guns stateside - they both hate each other
Seriously - it seems "some" US techy's hate G&G big time favouring more of their own stuff
or I think JG and some others who may produce or help to produce the Echo1 guns over there
Perhaps even more G&G hate has emerged as G&G copied seigtek Dual Sector Gear design
(Many techy's hate the cheaper SHS & Modify copies already as it was a US idea/concept and Riot/Seigtek is far superior)
customer wise - even american owners seem to be very pleased with them if you look on US retailer sites reviews
ALL GUNS CAN FAIL - They will very likely fail quicker as they are made to fire faster and more powerfully
Perhaps taking a CM starter box to nearly 35-40rps with 400fps will be pushing it too far - it is not a high end box reinforced etc....
But it is not a bad box by no means - it is a good decent box all the same in a good starter gun.
Me personally think I only need a gun to shoot 20-30rps @ 349.99999999fps - that is plenty for our UK sites
then that will do and try to make it use that properly by improving its accuracy......
I like them and some others do - yes the CM's are not ultra high end - they are not supposed to be at that price
They sell so many of them each year after year - they are not absolute piles of junk that some haters say they are
No G&G are not perfect - some of their higher end stuff has had problems and some of their new stuff emerging I may not be impressed with
but think G&G starter guns - (forget mosfet or dsg Mr G&G) - their starter guns are a good beginners platform to get started with.
Sitting Duck
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Google up who makes Echo1 guns and how they are made, assembled, rebranded or slung together in USA.
Me personally I don't quite think the starter JG guns have better boxes than G&G CM's.
CM boxes have had 8mm solid bushing/bearings and radius boxes for over 18 months....
Yes maybe early boxes may have failed more in the past.
But up until recently JG boxes were 7mm plastic bushings and not radius boxes. But just recently they have started use solid bushings and I am quite sure they have started to radius the boxes at front too.
But make up your own minds if G&G are any good or not
for what it is worth if you wish to go down the p90 route.....
if you seek to obtain a cheap additional boneyard/spares-repair one to upgrade to 400+ fps
then "maybe" you could see if a ukara'd m8 (or yourself once you have skirmished)
would purchase one of these:
http://www.taiwangun.com/en/ksp-90tr-acm?from=listing&campaign-id=19
http://www.taiwangun.com/en/ksp-90trk-acm?from=listing&campaign-id=19
http://www.taiwangun.com/en/ksp-90tr-sd-acm?from=listing&campaign-id=19
I do not know what these are like - but at under say £90 they might be worth considering if p90 is a must have
Blimey those cheap p90's all under £90 sold out straight away - all 3 types in stock this morning
(think I'd best stop posting all them good offers I find - none left for me - jeez)
Me personally I don't quite think the starter JG guns have better boxes than G&G CM's.
CM boxes have had 8mm solid bushing/bearings and radius boxes for over 18 months....
Yes maybe early boxes may have failed more in the past.
But up until recently JG boxes were 7mm plastic bushings and not radius boxes. But just recently they have started use solid bushings and I am quite sure they have started to radius the boxes at front too.
But make up your own minds if G&G are any good or not
for what it is worth if you wish to go down the p90 route.....
if you seek to obtain a cheap additional boneyard/spares-repair one to upgrade to 400+ fps
then "maybe" you could see if a ukara'd m8 (or yourself once you have skirmished)
would purchase one of these:
http://www.taiwangun.com/en/ksp-90tr-acm?from=listing&campaign-id=19
http://www.taiwangun.com/en/ksp-90trk-acm?from=listing&campaign-id=19
http://www.taiwangun.com/en/ksp-90tr-sd-acm?from=listing&campaign-id=19
I do not know what these are like - but at under say £90 they might be worth considering if p90 is a must have
Blimey those cheap p90's all under £90 sold out straight away - all 3 types in stock this morning
(think I'd best stop posting all them good offers I find - none left for me - jeez)
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So my post started out "I was going to let this thread die off, but as I have no one to talk to and i'm not done with my plans, im giving up on P90 because I cannot find a cheap enough starting platform..." and then I saw your post that the forum failed to notify me about.
At this point I don't even want to play airsoft (with an AEG), just want crack open(not literally) a pair of identical TM p90 clones and get to work. Perfect would be one which the lower receiver is not glued.
Grateful to know platforms are available at affordable rates.
Does that site de-list out of stock items?
Just found this (fairly sure its KSP):
youtube.com/watch?v=jepla1oofhs
Looks like the KSP is a great starting platform - now to find it on sale in two months time
.
At this point I don't even want to play airsoft (with an AEG), just want crack open(not literally) a pair of identical TM p90 clones and get to work. Perfect would be one which the lower receiver is not glued.
Grateful to know platforms are available at affordable rates.
Does that site de-list out of stock items?
Just found this (fairly sure its KSP):
youtube.com/watch?v=jepla1oofhs
Looks like the KSP is a great starting platform - now to find it on sale in two months time
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The funny thing is, when I started researching airsoft I wanted to only buy the best because I was terrified of something breaking down, when I was in wolf armouries they said they had over 2 months waiting list to fix breakdowns - apparently bioBBs are a major reason for this.
I have now spent 20-25 hours reading about the technical playing side of airsoft (admittedly I only figured out what the tappet plate did 10 minutes ago) and I think now I am happy to just buy the cheaper brands and fix any breaks myself.
I have now spent 20-25 hours reading about the technical playing side of airsoft (admittedly I only figured out what the tappet plate did 10 minutes ago) and I think now I am happy to just buy the cheaper brands and fix any breaks myself.
Sitting Duck
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Good cheap brands is what does work really well
Lots of crappy cheap brands out there if you make an unwise decision
Lots of crappy cheap brands out there if you make an unwise decision
Sitting Duck
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They are all CM16's really - just with different tarted up front ends
CM18 is a CM16 like the Carbine Raider FireHawk GC16 or 26 etc......
To me the CM18 is stretched FireHawk front end without the amplifier - even has the same flip sights as FH but in contrasting colours
then they add a bit of tan/black mix which makes it stand out a bit
The ris ladder covers can be removed, the contrasting pistol grip - well when your out shooting wtf is gonna notice
the contrasting crane stock - replace with a black crane or me have used a black fixed stubby stock on there
other option is a Raider or GC16 30th
the CQB or the BOT 300 is getting over £150 for a polymer gun
MK18's are nice coz of the contrasting look out of box
failing that get the metal GC16 and then later on consider changing the front end/barrel to your choice
CM18 is a CM16 like the Carbine Raider FireHawk GC16 or 26 etc......
To me the CM18 is stretched FireHawk front end without the amplifier - even has the same flip sights as FH but in contrasting colours
then they add a bit of tan/black mix which makes it stand out a bit
The ris ladder covers can be removed, the contrasting pistol grip - well when your out shooting wtf is gonna notice
the contrasting crane stock - replace with a black crane or me have used a black fixed stubby stock on there
other option is a Raider or GC16 30th
the CQB or the BOT 300 is getting over £150 for a polymer gun
MK18's are nice coz of the contrasting look out of box
failing that get the metal GC16 and then later on consider changing the front end/barrel to your choice
Lozart
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Leave it be. Play with it, decide if the shortcomings you find are actually you or the gun and then fix what needs fixing. It's a good gun as is, don't fuck it up by "upgrading".
Sitting Duck
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If it ain't broke don't try to fix it is best advice with lots of guns....
For starters you need to see how any gun compares and G&G are very often ready go out of box
Most G&G's are 330fps they are fine for any site
Their value for money, the moment you pick it up after holding other plastic starter guns - it feels much better
Inside is good tried n tested internals - yes they are the Fords of airsoft but inside is a good Ford Pinto engine
I don't think they use 6.04's - likely their higher end Top-Tech guns use a 6.04 maybe but not the CM range
I think most new owners should just get out there, use it and get to know their new CM
ain't gonna hit 80, 90 100m but most likely 45 - 60m which is still good
just make sure you pull the trigger when target is in range as many blame the gun
instead of the owner not knowing his gun's abilities
Hop is good - I'd say better than most plastic hops in starter guns
Green bucking is regarded as very good for a starter gun as well
Owners should be using these for many months without any thought of needing to upgrade anything
Any upgrades can improve but also even high quality upgrades can be fitted poorly and performance can be worse
No aeg will beat the accuracy of a sniper - well TM vs JBBG sniper but you get the idea
it is a toy electric gun that pew pew pee pew plasic balls out the end but is a very good starter pee pwew
Perfectly fine as is imho - to break them as good as I do takes skill - or rather lack of it
For starters you need to see how any gun compares and G&G are very often ready go out of box
Most G&G's are 330fps they are fine for any site
Their value for money, the moment you pick it up after holding other plastic starter guns - it feels much better
Inside is good tried n tested internals - yes they are the Fords of airsoft but inside is a good Ford Pinto engine
I don't think they use 6.04's - likely their higher end Top-Tech guns use a 6.04 maybe but not the CM range
I think most new owners should just get out there, use it and get to know their new CM
ain't gonna hit 80, 90 100m but most likely 45 - 60m which is still good
just make sure you pull the trigger when target is in range as many blame the gun
instead of the owner not knowing his gun's abilities
Hop is good - I'd say better than most plastic hops in starter guns
Green bucking is regarded as very good for a starter gun as well
Owners should be using these for many months without any thought of needing to upgrade anything
Any upgrades can improve but also even high quality upgrades can be fitted poorly and performance can be worse
No aeg will beat the accuracy of a sniper - well TM vs JBBG sniper but you get the idea
it is a toy electric gun that pew pew pee pew plasic balls out the end but is a very good starter pee pwew
Perfectly fine as is imho - to break them as good as I do takes skill - or rather lack of it
ImTriggerHappy
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Basically as bits break replace them with better bits but until they do leave them alone. Why replace something that works fine.
Sitting Duck
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I started out with a bit cheaper guns - plinky guns or just a tiny bit better
that broke after a trigger happy full day skirmish or two
tried to repair but often they ain't designed to be repaired just bin/replaced
(my noobish tech skills were dire then but at least I broke stuff that was already semi-boned)
Learnt a bit from them nightmares and really appreciated better quality guns later on
ICS & G&G pi$$ all over cheap SRC's and other cheap makes from JBBG
note SRC's were Gen 1 - Gen 3 are better I'm told, well couldn't be much worse
Yes I broke my G&G CM18 - first AR latch failed (weird never had that happen since to any gun)
then fixed snapping pickup tooth off - not once but twice off piston
This is why you do AoE and a good reason not to just chuck in a neo motor and 11.1v
Wow this is great - BANG, bollox no it ain't
Since then I have got a little better - at breaking stuff
but I have learnt to not take the pi$$ so much on stock guns out of box with a bit of work inside
Seriously advise people to just get some use out their guns and only look to mess with it when
the GUN needs it - not the OWNER
I admit to most of my screw ups loads of time so people fully understand the risks of messing about
or pushing any gun too much too quickly. Gladly share my success stories and numerous failures I've done
(still doing plenty of them)
I can blow up stuff as I have the odd - ahem "spare" but others with one or their first aeg should tread carefully
Just get it - use it & enjoy it, many think they are gonna do this n that & build dsg etc... - over rated imho
A good player can kick ar$e with almost any gun, good performing guns help
but it is the good players not the good guns that win the games
To me it don't matter $hit I just go to blow up guns and have fun
that broke after a trigger happy full day skirmish or two
tried to repair but often they ain't designed to be repaired just bin/replaced
(my noobish tech skills were dire then but at least I broke stuff that was already semi-boned)
Learnt a bit from them nightmares and really appreciated better quality guns later on
ICS & G&G pi$$ all over cheap SRC's and other cheap makes from JBBG
note SRC's were Gen 1 - Gen 3 are better I'm told, well couldn't be much worse
Yes I broke my G&G CM18 - first AR latch failed (weird never had that happen since to any gun)
then fixed snapping pickup tooth off - not once but twice off piston
This is why you do AoE and a good reason not to just chuck in a neo motor and 11.1v
Wow this is great - BANG, bollox no it ain't
Since then I have got a little better - at breaking stuff
but I have learnt to not take the pi$$ so much on stock guns out of box with a bit of work inside
Seriously advise people to just get some use out their guns and only look to mess with it when
the GUN needs it - not the OWNER
I admit to most of my screw ups loads of time so people fully understand the risks of messing about
or pushing any gun too much too quickly. Gladly share my success stories and numerous failures I've done
(still doing plenty of them)
I can blow up stuff as I have the odd - ahem "spare" but others with one or their first aeg should tread carefully
Just get it - use it & enjoy it, many think they are gonna do this n that & build dsg etc... - over rated imho
A good player can kick ar$e with almost any gun, good performing guns help
but it is the good players not the good guns that win the games
To me it don't matter $hit I just go to blow up guns and have fun
ImTriggerHappy
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A truer statement has never been said.I have spent a lot of time and money trying to get my primary perfect but its made no difference to my game still play exactly the same and get about the same amount of hits as before.
