FPs ok - joules too hot?

[Druid799]

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[SBoardley]

I would rather hope that players would read, think and learn; we are primarily responsible for educating ourselves.  Foisting the responsibility onto sites is just laziness and a dereliction of personal responsibility 

Yeah isn’t that what we are doing on this forum?

Having marshalled at a couple of sites and played at loads, I would never rely on most site owners and managers for anything; obviously there are exceptions to that.

Yeah telling site owners and staff how to run their site is a…… sure way of being told not to come back?

The plus side of the old 328+/-10% always baffled me; that just means that the limit is actually 361 rather than 328.

 

Yeah it’s called a margin for error, effectively keeping the players rif just about within the 1.3 joules 

But yeah. If you’ve got something constructive to say about joule creep, I would probably listen. 

 

[JS101]

He he… well through all the fun above I have learned stuff - which is great!  Seems that the site is actually testing Joules on bb weight - they always ask you to bring your mag and say what weight you are using.  Just they didn’t actually ever say so at the site previously.  
 

But I can now see that they have changed the website at some point in the last few weeks to confirm that they have a flat joule rate and will test at your weight….!

which I suppose is what we are saying is the right thing to do….

 

[Rogerborg]

But I can now see that they have changed the website at some point in the last few weeks to confirm that they have a flat joule rate and will test at your weight….!

which I suppose is what we are saying is the right thing to do….

Yes, it is.

The thing is, at UK power levels, it's not that big a deal.  Even if you're shooting at 1.3 or even higher, you're still not anywhere near the level of what we should be planning for, which is a negligent point blank shot of a 2.3J 0.5g sniper BB into someone's earball.

We can now delight @Druid799 by segueing into a rant about how EN 166F glasses shouldn't be allowed on sites.  

 

[colinjallen]

Yeah isn’t that what we are doing on this forum?

Yeah telling site owners and staff how to run their site is a…… sure way of being told not to come back?

Yeah it’s called a margin for error, effectively keeping the players rif just about within the 1.3 joules 

But yeah. If you’ve got something constructive to say about joule creep, I would probably listen. 

It is indeed what we are doing here (most of the time); my point is that it is not the job of site owners and managers.

As for the +/- 10%, a true margin of error would be to just set the limit at a figure rather than a range as most sites now do. Actually, thinking about it again, the -10% is even more pointless; what does it even mean?  Would it mean not allowing guns that shoot below 295?

Joule creep is another subject entirely; if I can find the results of the tests that we did, I will post them and the conclusions in a new thread.  However, it was a long time ago and they may not have made it onto the current laptop.

Yes, it is.

The thing is, at UK power levels, it's not that big a deal.  Even if you're shooting at 1.3 or even higher, you're still not anywhere near the level of what we should be planning for, which is a negligent point blank shot of a 2.3J 0.5g sniper BB into someone's earball.

We can now delight @Druid799 by segueing into a rant about how EN 166F glasses shouldn't be allowed on sites.  

Well, there is a point to that argument. 

 

[Oneshotscott]

Due to airsoft site insurance policies you cannot max out those figures.

I am a little annoyed as My springer set to 500fps on .20 which is great for some sites but other sites have the joule rule and some other sites enforce a different joule rating (this applies to both full auto & semi using the weight bb you plan to use).....Man I wish sites would all sing from the same hymn sheet for once and for all.

I would change the joules of all your RIF's to meet the requirement by the site which you intend to attend which has the lowest joule rules per RIF.  

Unless that is of course that you enjoy tinkering and don't mind stripping a rif to change bits to increase/decrease joules/fps to suit each field?

 

[Rogerborg]

I am a little annoyed as My springer set to 500fps on .20

What does it shoot on the ammo that you actually use?

I ask because there's a (small but non zero) chance that if it's shooting at 2.32J on 0.2g then it may be capable of over 2.5J with heavier ammo, i.e. not actually an airsoft gun.

 

[Oneshotscott]

All I'm going to say is that its nowhere near 2.5j but sadly its over 2.32j.  I'm being lazy (plus I currently don't have the time to go and Chrono it again at this moment) but from memory I think it was 2.38j on 0.43g bb's.  So when I get a chance il remove a spring spacer to get it as close to 2.25j just to be safe. That is of course unless I sell it first in the mean time.

Thankfully my AEG is 0.98j with 0.28g bb's so it's pretty legal but still it can "HiT a ThReE iNcH gRoUp At 100 'airsoft' MeTeRs ObViOuSlY"