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Fitting an m4 stock to an AK

Well, the CM.039C is a TM clone, so inherent problems you will face are that the barrel base assembly which also holds the rear of the gas tube, is not as hollow as some other makes which means that it can be a bit of a struggle to get your battery connector and wire stuffed into that space, but you can have to if you're using a folding stock, or in your case, unless you mod the trunnion to allow for a battery inside the buffer tube, because an 8.4V NiMh stick battery fills that top space under the dust cover exactly.

You can get Turnigy Nano-Tech LiPo's of 7.4V or 11.1V in that space with a little wiggle room however, but it is a real struggle to find enough space for anything but the smallest MOSFET without pretty major dremmel-mods to allow the FET board to sit somewhere inside the front handguards. Removing the small Tamiya connectors in favour of Deans connectors gives a few valuable cubic millimetres of extra space, as well as conducting electricity better...

The shimming on CYMA's is pretty rudimentary, in fact the gearbox works so well because the tolerances of everything are slacker than the original from which they are cloned - basically their solution to the problem of putting a more powerful spring in than the TM and still wanting great ROF is to just throw more power at it and consequently the GB is pretty noisy compared to many others.

Another potential problem is the air seal nozzle, which is very short compared to other AK designs so is a bit of a pig to replace with aluminium, and the original is prone to tiny cracks in its clear polycarbonate. They're not exactly known for a good air seal even when brand new, even though their stock hop rubber is very good at spinning up BB's and centring them in the barrel for better accuracy. Again, their solution is to use more power, ie more air coming faster out of the cylinder - I don't think anyone in the west knows for sure what weight of spring they use as standard, but my guess is that it's more than an M120 but not as high as an M130 but fortunately, for nothing more than the cost of the spring you want in the gun, taiwangun.com (and many other retailers) will supply it to you with the spring of your choice already fitted - a M110 gives you about 360+/-5 an M100 about 330+/-5 FPS - the way forward is an Element M105 which gives you about 345+/-5, but taiwangun don't sell that spring :(

The easiest way to get more FPS out of a sub 350FPS CYMA AK is to change the air seal nozzle for a black POM one - I forget right now, but I think Dream Army do one - iirc the replacement needs to be 19.5mm long, which is 0.18mm longer than the stock one and, while the gears and shell are usually liberally coated with earwax looking grease, inside the cylinder isn't. A good smear of Guarder Teflon grease on the O-ring does wonders, but don't worry about the piston head, cylinder head, or piston unless you're prepared to completely tune up the GB - hopefully the piston head of the .039 series retains the tiny acetate washer from the .028 series between the piston and head, which acts almost as a 2nd O-ring.

*massive inhalation*

Hooooooooooooooooooooowever...

I'm 80% sure that the Model B (also called Beta or Omega on some sites) replacement trunnion UTJ referred to above is intended to fit onto any AK-74 with a left folding stock. The problem is that, as Ed points out, we dunno how the tube actually attaches to that type of fixed or folding trunnion. I have to say that getting the pin out of the hinge to swap to that folding trunnion may not be anything like easy - for a fact I know it would be a very annoying job on my ICS AKS-74U. CKinnerly has yanked up an AK before so maybe he knows, or Finius...?

 
I think my brain just exploded would a LCT 104nv solve this? Unless one of these mystical 40+ cymas has a m4 stock built in

 
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No, the highest CM# with a crane stock is the .039C.

There's also a LCT TX-74UN and LCT TX-M with crane stocks and realistic take down.

 
I had the CM039U for about a year. Had a 9.6v stick battery under the top cover, which fitted fine. I did change the wiring slightly and move the connectors to the rear end of the gun so the battery slid forwards more, made it easier to connect with my large sausage like fingers. Funnily enough I got it from Taiwan gun and had it downgraded to 310 fps. They are absolutely fine as they are. I put a good few thousand rounds through it as it was. The only thing I had go wrong was the motor, which shorted itself. Apart from that she was hot to trot. Good rate of fire and good range. No they are not the "best" of the cyma range, but you will be very happy with the result of buying one, getting it downgraded and go shooting, as that is about all you need to do.

(unless you feel the need to tinker, in which case it will probably sit on your table for 6 months and never be as good as it did out of the box)

( I have also had a couple of 028's, an 040D and a 052 as well, as I like AK's, but change my mind a lot :) )

 
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TBH, as much as I love CYMA AK's, if you can afford it then get the LCT - the quality of the externals will be better, it will resist accidental damage due to novice tinkering better, and it should shoot nearly as well, if not as well, as a CYMA OOTB, however it will continue to shoot as well as it does for ages, whereas the CYMA will deteriorate after maybe a year of hard skirmishing (or so I've been led to believe - I started tinkering with mine pretty much straight after its 1st skirmish). What do you reckon, Shep?

The rails you've picked should both fit either and they both clamp to the barrel so that should eliminate wobble/rattle, however since the lower rail doesn't have a peg to fit into the barrel base assembly, all the weight of anything you attach is always on the barrel. That is not necessarily a problem and of course the barrel fits into the barrel base assembly anyway, but it may put a strain on a little bit of pot metal shaped to lock the barrel in place with a bolt situated far enough from the pressure point that a crack is not unfeasible (on a CYMA - dunno about the LCT => I sent mine back b/c it was a turd*). That said, the barrel lock I mentioned does fit into a slot in the barrel base assembly so it is supported - it could well be perfectly fine.

Another option however is this:

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...which may need a tweak with a file or Dremmel to fit a CYMA or LCT.​
IMO it's the most badass looking of the available options.​
There is also a CYMA version, but I can't find one in the UK currently, and I haven't been able to find that part which goes above the top cover made by CYMA except on a gun (and I forget where). The forward piece is made to take the rear rail though definitely - I have one => they are a bit of a pig to fit rattle free / I use Blu Tac inside the barrel base assembly peg slot and around a shaped nut which attaches the forward part.

*See the Review Section for my full description - basically it was a body kit with any old internals slapped in by the retailer and sold as an LCT gun, rather than an actual LCT assembled gun.

Edit: aha, knew I'd seen one more recently -

 
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TBH, as much as I love CYMA AK's, if you can afford it then get the LCT - the quality of the externals will be better, it will resist accidental damage due to novice tinkering better, and it should shoot nearly as well, if not as well, as a CYMA OOTB, however it will continue to shoot as well as it does for ages, whereas the CYMA will deteriorate after maybe a year of hard skirmishing (or so I've been led to believe - I started tinkering with mine pretty much straight after its 1st skirmish). What do you reckon, Shep?
I said to Whitt via PM. I use my AK's till they break, or I get bored, sell them, then regret it 6 months later! The 039U I had I put about 15,000 rounds through it before the motor shorted out, £20 later I put another 15k through it before I sold it. My 040D was second or 3rd hand before I got it and I did naff all to it before I sold it a year later apart from shooting lots of bb's though it. I have dropped them onto concrete (sling point broke), ran into trees, lent them to idiots and chucked them in the boot of my car at the end of the day. Yes the quality of the external on an LCT will be better, but for bang for buck you can't beat a downgraded cyma :)

....now I want another one...damn you all

 
Do we know if the o39 and 040d are steel?

 
According to one site the 039 is aluminum and the 040 is steel and aluminum, but don't know which bits are what.

 
Oh wow it sits way further back than I thought it would.

It does look beast though, agreed.

 
It should be in theory three pieces so the cyma lower rail can be mixed with it , but ideally i want it to look like the beta project ak

 
Quick question which AK is closest to real steel externally ? i had heard the the LCT ak104 NV has screws and pins unlike the CYMA and VFC which is closer to real steel.

 
Real Sword. Hands down. Then LCT.

However, Concern Kalashnikov, Izhmash, are due to start full scale production of an airsoft AK-74 in July, so that'll probably be the one to have.

 
I'm not sure that rs does an ak-104 from what I've heard

Dboys closest replica to vfc better externals compared to cyma

Vfc best overall impossible to get

CYMA decent clone of vfc better internally than dboys worse externally

LCT best externally , however I had heard they use grub screws instead of pins in places unlike the vfc/dboi

 
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Yeah RS don't technically do any AK, they do Type 56's, but they are exactly 1:1 scale using the same production processes as real Type 56's / AK's. You didn't say AK-104 though, you just said AK...

I've just bought a CYMA CM.048 and I can tell you that, externally, there are no grub screws or other screws on the metalwork - there's the one on the bottom of the pistol grip, 2 bolts hold the stock to the receiver and, like the real steel, 2 screws hold the butt plate on. But that's their VFC clone, not a TM clone which most of their guns are. I believe that the CM.047D will be the same as mine - I'm not impressed with the feel of the pistol grip, but the receiver pins and rivets compare favourably with LCT.

 
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