Competitive Airsoft

[E21A]

I don’t think it shouldn’t exist at regular games. I do think it should be moderated rate of fire wise though! Also a bit of common sense.

That’s mainly what I meant by play style, the trigger spamming. Running around pushing the objective - fine. Trigger spamming and overkill - not fine. 

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

If people wanna speedsoft let them, as long as they do at their own events and don’t bring that play style to regular games. 

Cant speak for all of them but the main ones pushing the movement do moderate their playstyle at normal skirmishes now. Was issues in the past but they have taken the opinion of some members of the community who treated them fairly and educated rather than scorned on board. Only problems I have had deal with when they are on site is other players attitudes in their direction.

 

[Aengus]

That’s mainly what I meant by play style, the trigger spamming. Running around pushing the objective - fine. Trigger spamming and overkill - not fine. 

Most people are already doing it. Only played as part of a group of speedsofters once and we were told to calm it down a bit an everyone did. It’s a close knit community so nobody wants to be known for being a twat ?.

 

[ACA]

First-ever wide distribution survey, possibly.  The forum does get surveys and market reseach as school projects university student research, new site owner questionnaire, player survey, market research.  So get someone to quality control the questions that you ask and to ensure they capture relevant information to make any survey useful. 

Type “survey” into search and have a look at previous ones.

I want this survey to be by the players, contributors etc for the players, contributors, etc. so the quality control should be by them, hence using you guys as a sounding board. I'll take a look, I would like the members of this forum to quality control it as I'm sure there will be other questions that arise from my own.

 

[Prisce]

To be honest, I believe normal skirmishers probably use Full auto more than any type of speed softer. The amount of games I have been to recently and some retard has full auto’d me at less than 5ft.

If you can’t get 1 on target mate, you should be walking around with a white stick instead of spraying me.

If your one of these sadists who like causing pain, let me know, got a gun with your name on it. Once you’ve had the pleasure of it’s company, you may change your mind as one poor sap did last weekend. 

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

To be honest, I believe normal skirmishers probably use Full auto more than any type of speed softer. The amount of games I have been to recently and some retard has full auto’d me at less than 5ft.

If you can’t get 1 on target mate, you should be walking around with a white stick instead of spraying me.

If your one of these sadists who like causing pain, let me know, got a gun with your name on it. Once you’ve had the pleasure of it’s company, you may change your mind as one poor sap did last weekend. 

To be honest this is what annoys me. You always hear airsofters chucking shade at others and it is always the rental newbs, the chav softers and now the speedsofters who are getting flamed. The worst group for doing this are generally the geardo try hards especially those who are late 30s to mid 50s. 

But in my experience of playing and marshalling the worst group for hit taking, overshooting, powerplaying, blindfiring, aggresive behaviour and general I am too good to follow the same rules as I am superior crowd. Are geardo try hards who are late 30s to mid 50s. If I had to list my top ten worst incidents of every offence 8 out of 10 would be from that group. We all know the ones, Steve the shelf stacker by day but on a Sunday its Johnny Rambo bb wars operator specialist huffing and puffing with his jelly roll bursting out his ubacs hurling advice and slagging off the rental newb and his hoodie.

Now it would be easy to slag off the whole crowd who fit that and to be honest there is a part of me struggles not to but I have also met some who on the outside fit that description but are amazingly good guys.  So now I try not to judge but take each person as an individual and all that matters is they play fair and play nice whether that is in lycra, crye or even a pair of trackies.

Never assume someone is a twunt at least give them time to prove it.

 

[Druid799]

To be honest this is what annoys me. You always hear airsofters chucking shade at others and it is always the rental newbs, the chav softers and now the speedsofters who are getting flamed. The worst group for doing this are generally the geardo try hards especially those who are late 30s to mid 50s. 

But in my experience of playing and marshalling the worst group for hit taking, overshooting, powerplaying, blindfiring, aggresive behaviour and general I am too good to follow the same rules as I am superior crowd. Are geardo try hards who are late 30s to mid 50s. If I had to list my top ten worst incidents of every offence 8 out of 10 would be from that group. We all know the ones, Steve the shelf stacker by day but on a Sunday its Johnny Rambo bb wars operator specialist huffing and puffing with his jelly roll bursting out his ubacs hurling advice and slagging off the rental newb and his hoodie.

Now it would be easy to slag off the whole crowd who fit that and to be honest there is a part of me struggles not to but I have also met some who on the outside fit that description but are amazingly good guys.  So now I try not to judge but take each person as an individual and all that matters is they play fair and play nice whether that is in lycra, crye or even a pair of trackies.

Never assume someone is a twunt at least give them time to prove it.

I’m impressed ! quite possibly the biggest and best example of ‘tarring’ a group with the same brush I’ve ever seen ! Finished off with an off-hand “but not all of them” Comment ! WoW ! just WoW ! ?

 

[E21A]

I’m impressed ! quite possibly the biggest and best example of ‘tarring’ a group with the same brush I’ve ever seen ! Finished off with an off-hand “but not all of them” Comment ! WoW ! just WoW ! ?

Not possible, doesn’t judge and always impartial and a realist 

 

[Smintheus]

So, on topic. 

I think, as has been elucidated briefly by others earlier, the dangerous part of 'competitive' airsoft is generally  the over competitive attitude, whether that's a hpa rifle filling the air with bbs at no concern to the safety of other players, or a super tactical elephant barreling down a corridor through other people... Or, famously at my site, someone lighting up their own team near regen for not moving up.

As soon as someone cares more about winning than everyone involved having fun (including the guy you just shot), you get problems. Making airsoft 'competitive' can draw that attitude. 

I think as others have said, look for focus on sportsmanship than 'winning' for a more healthy experience. Could you play small team Siege (CS) style games in a competitive manner - yes. But you'd need to be ready for bad play, hurt feelings, etc. 

I'm reminded of how Socom picked their sponsored team. Invited a bunch of teams to play, watched them and picked not the winner, but the ones who played best. 

 

[Operation Speed]

I'm actually running a competitive airsoft tournament up in Retford! here's our facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/OpSpeed-Airsoft-Tournaments-421137991707955/

As much as this looks like a speedsoft dominated event we are actually trying to bring more of a milsim audience too! We had the head manager of Halo Mill come down who swears by his gas guns and he had a blast playing with us! He had that much fun that he's actually putting together a "MilSpeed" style team which i think is amazing!

We run our tournaments on a paintball field in the summer and we're still currently looking for an indoor site to use for our winter league. you guys should come give it a try! Would definatly improve your airsoft gameplay in the long run, even if you don't like speedsoft or paintball style games, our tournaments really help people with their survivability, communication and team building skills. Come try us

Here's my youtube where i'm gonna document all the tournaments and future events that i host

 

[Druid799]

So, on topic. 

I think, as has been elucidated briefly by others earlier, the dangerous part of 'competitive' airsoft is generally  the over competitive attitude, whether that's a hpa rifle filling the air with bbs at no concern to the safety of other players, or a super tactical elephant barreling down a corridor through other people... Or, famously at my site, someone lighting up their own team near regen for not moving up.

As soon as someone cares more about winning than everyone involved having fun (including the guy you just shot), you get problems. Making airsoft 'competitive' can draw that attitude. 

I think as others have said, look for focus on sportsmanship than 'winning' for a more healthy experience. Could you play small team Siege (CS) style games in a competitive manner - yes. But you'd need to be ready for bad play, hurt feelings, etc. 

I'm reminded of how Socom picked their sponsored team. Invited a bunch of teams to play, watched them and picked not the winner, but the ones who played best. 

Well said bud , I do believe as you said once you introduce ‘winning’ in to the mix it’s gonna turn bad really quickly , you’ve got a very small number of players , in a very high adrenaline short timescale game so the testosterone will be flowing .  One would think at the moment as it is such a fledgling sport basically everyone knows each other? So if your cheating word will get around and before you know it you’ve been excommunicated ! BUT if and when it takes off and there’s hundreds playing it so it’s just not possible to know everyone then I do think the flood gates will open . It’s not a pleasant thought but buy the very nature of any ‘combat’ based sport the people it attracts to play are the more aggressive must win (and at any cost with some) so you’ll get a higher percentage of cheating than at a normal skurmish day ? 

 

[Operation Speed]

i ran this event, It's not making a mockery of semi auto what so ever. We stopped our HPA players from feathering because it's not very compeititve to be against people with stock AEG's. You were not aloud to feather but was able to pull the trigger as fast as you can with one finger. makes life fair for everyone

16 hours ago, Rogerborg said:

That's the stick, but I'd strongly advocate for having a carrot of a fair play award as well, based on teams rating each other on hit taking, not overkilling, and avoiding dickishness.

Training day.  Note the hair trigger HPA which rather makes a mockery of it being semi-auto.

 

[ACA]

I'm actually running a competitive airsoft tournament up in Retford! here's our facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/OpSpeed-Airsoft-Tournaments-421137991707955/

As much as this looks like a speedsoft dominated event we are actually trying to bring more of a milsim audience too! We had the head manager of Halo Mill come down who swears by his gas guns and he had a blast playing with us! He had that much fun that he's actually putting together a "MilSpeed" style team which I think is amazing!

We run our tournaments on a paintball field in the summer and we're still currently looking for an indoor site to use for our winter league. you guys should come to give it a try! Would definitely improve your airsoft gameplay in the long run, even if you don't like speedsoft or paintball style games, our tournaments really help people with their survivability, communication and team building skills. Come to try us

Here's my youtube where I'm gonna document all the tournaments and future events that I host





 

Hi,

I'm glad you have posted a reply, I'm especially interested in your thoughts on how you see this side of Airsoft going. Are you planning to roll this style out over the country at other sites? Will it be a monopoly owned & ran by you? Do you plan to team up with other site owners to create a league? I have more questions and more are likely to follow your reply.

This all may read a little brash but just asking to get a feel for what's going on.

My survey, I hope, will give the ability for all that fill it in to, air their opinion on how they would deal with the issues they personally experience along with answering issues raised by others. it's not intended for a place to spout off about who or what is the worst at anything. Only a positive way of dealing with them.

P.S. I've looked at all the previous surveys that I could get to open and almost all are sales lead, mine isn't at all.

 

[Druid799]

12 hours ago, Operation Speed said:

I'm actually running a competitive airsoft tournament up in Retford! here's our facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/OpSpeed-Airsoft-Tournaments-421137991707955/

As much as this looks like a speedsoft dominated event we are actually trying to bring more of a milsim audience too! We had the head manager of Halo Mill come down who swears by his gas guns and he had a blast playing with us! He had that much fun that he's actually putting together a "MilSpeed" style team which i think is amazing!

We run our tournaments on a paintball field in the summer and we're still currently looking for an indoor site to use for our winter league. you guys should come give it a try! Would definatly improve your airsoft gameplay in the long run, even if you don't like speedsoft or paintball style games, our tournaments really help people with their survivability, communication and team building skills. Come try us

Here's my youtube where i'm gonna document all the tournaments and future events that i host

As obvious as you enthusiasm for this is (and it is !)but after watching it  im not sure if it’s as the film is just your perspective (it’s your head cam) but hand on heart mate I didn’t see any tactics to speak of  in your film at all it was just run/dive/get to the other side as quick as possible and take out the other players on the way . Sorry bud ,  yes there is a place for it and anyone who says not is being a dick , I personally don’t know any players who’d really be that interested in this style of play . So yes i think it will taking off , just don’t see it getting that big . 

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

So yes i think it will taking off , just don’t see it getting that big . 

Back in the day paintballers said that about speedball and then they said it about airsoft and where are we now?

20yrs ago I never would of thought I would trade in my marker for an airsoft gun.

I think with the fact land is getting scarcer and that it can be played in small arenas there is huge potential.

Stop watching vids and talk to some of the guys involved and even play against them and you might see a different side to it because most of the vids are a bit shite but it is evolving, hopefully into something that attracts a broader clientele.

 

[Rogerborg]

i ran this event, It's not making a mockery of semi auto what so ever. We stopped our HPA players from feathering because it's not very compeititve to be against people with stock AEG's. You were not aloud to feather but was able to pull the trigger as fast as you can with one finger. makes life fair for everyone

I guess that depends on your definition of "feather and "pull" when you've got a hair trigger with a few mm of travel.  To be clear, I'm talking about the shooting at 1:55 in this video:

A stock AEG with a mechanical trigger can't come anywhere near that RoF.

Fairness is neither here nor there, I'm not moralfagging. My pragmatic concern would be about how much someone with a typical budget AEG would enjoy going up against that.  Inclusion and a low cost of entry is key to growing any sport.

To be clear, my intention is to be constructive, I'm not pooh-poohing the concept.  It looks like a blast, I'd be keen to give it a try.

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

7 minutes ago, Rogerborg said:



I guess that depends on your definition of "feather and "pull" when you've got a hair trigger with a few mm of travel.  To be clear, I'm talking about the shooting at 1:55 in this video:

Very valid point.

The cost of becoming competitive could put people off.

 

[Druid799]

Back in the day paintballers said that about speedball and then they said it about airsoft and where are we now?

20yrs ago I never would of thought I would trade in my marker for an airsoft gun.

I think with the fact land is getting scarcer and that it can be played in small arenas there is huge potential.

Stop watching vids and talk to some of the guys involved and even play against them and you might see a different side to it because most of the vids are a bit shite but it is evolving, hopefully into something that attracts a broader clientele.

A very fair point can’t argue with it , as Duff said I also definitely think it’ll be a young mans game not for the older (and to be honest slower players)  but a problem I could see developing with this scenario is it’ll be dominated by the guys with good jobs or indulgent parents that can afford to sink large amounts of money in too super fast race guns as aposed to the young lad or lass from an ‘ordinary’ background who can only afford to run a bog standard combat machine or the like . Which brings us right back to the question of regulation of types of guns and rates of fire again ? I do think it’s here to stay but ultimately as to how it’ll develop I think it’s going to be a ‘wait and see’ over the whole thing .

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

A very fair point can’t argue with it , as Duff said I also definitely think it’ll be a young mans game not for the older (and to be honest slower players)  but a problem I could see developing with this scenario is it’ll be dominated by the guys with good jobs or indulgent parents that can afford to sink large amounts of money in too super fast race guns as aposed to the young lad or lass from an ‘ordinary’ background who can only afford to run a bog standard combat machine or the like . Which brings us right back to the question of regulation of types of guns and rates of fire again ? I do think it’s here to stay but ultimately as to how it’ll develop I think it’s going to be a ‘wait and see’ over the whole thing .

Something does need to be figured out regards rof I will agree but that has been a problem in airsoft forever to some extent. Maybe rushers only allowed to use guns in lower ranges and high rof kept for the guys at the back covering?

As for young mans game bollocks to that I am 42 and won't stop running until my legs fall off. Old man speedsoft could be a thing, sponsored by Ralgex and Ibuprofen.

 

[Jedi_Master]

but a problem I could see developing with this scenario is it’ll be dominated by the guys with good jobs or indulgent parents that can afford to sink large amounts of money in too super fast race guns as opposed to the young lad or lass from an ‘ordinary’ background who can only afford to run a bog standard combat machine or the like .

There could be the need to have at least two distinct leagues/divisions.  For example 'Speedsoft One' (akin to Formula 1) using top end guns and gear where you are free to spend as much as you like to be competitive, and 'Speedball Tourney' (like karting) where players use the same gun or class of gun in order to be a more affordable and have a level playing field.

Would not necessarily want it "dumbed down" just to suit those with lesser income, that would be like adding weights to faster players just because they are better than some other duffer.  Next they will want skirmishers to all be the same - wear tracksuit, use Nuprol, and not have anything quality - because little Johnny is too idle to get a job.  Life is not fair but can be an incentive to improve yourself

Note: second paragraph is hyperbole