Buyer pays fees

[Druid799]

Do items listed on retailer websites include postage?? No they don’t, it varies on what you are buying. 

Fees being included I agree with, postage does vary so it’s perfectly acceptable to state plus postage. 

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A very true point BUT a retail site will also list its postage costs , normally free/fixed rate or if you pass a set threshold it’s free P&P and as you are buying new goods from a business that’s what you expect .

But a second hand sale of one or two items ? Come on we all know how much we want for what ever we’re selling and have a good idea how much from experience it’ll cost to send out .  

One fixed price will get you a quicker sale than having to negotiate on delivery costs , as others have stated I also think what I want for X,Y&Z I know ruffly how much the P&P is I workout paypal charges add it all up and that’s what I ask for , always have always will and if someone is able to collect I knock both costs of the price for cash in hand . 

just from personal experience having contacted a seller of a reasonably (not cheap) priced pistol early in the am to be quoted late the next day a price for delivery that was higher than the cost of an AEG I’d sent by PF 2 wks previously I’d wasted near two days dealing with this potential sale .

so yes I am against “I want X amount for the gun , but you have to PM me for P&P and Paypal costs on top” 

 

[Rogerborg]

Cost me nearly £40 to send a GBBR m14 ebr with mags. One because it was three times as heavy, but also to insure it. 

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Why not find that out beforehand and list it in the price, with a note that it will be lower on the off-chance that your buyer is close enough to collect?   Most potential buyers will not be.  Springing another £40 on them once they've shown an interest feels like a bait and switch.

 

[Wo1f]

Why not find that out beforehand and list it in the price, with a note that it will be lower on the off-chance that your buyer is close enough to collect?   Most potential buyers will not be.  Springing another £40 on them once they've shown an interest feels like a bait and switch.

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Because I send test fire videos and demos the night before I post because I’m sick of idiots who don’t know how to work something and claim it’s broken.

im not boxing up and expensive, super Niche item that might not sell for weeks to confirm postage when I have to cut it out of the box every time someone wants a picture of a specific component. I tend to give people a rough guess based on previous experience if it’s super heavy or big. If it’s just an AEG then I just say it’s £10 or £15 to post and if it’s a few quid more or less I take the hit. 

Then theres insurance. If I know/trust the seller then I just send it 48h. If I’m sending something that costs a grand to some random person then it’s getting insured 

You can’t buy anything anywhere where the price of postage is pre added to the price of the item so I don’t see what the big deal is. 

 

[Keldon]

For me I have no problem with the stated price being what ever with monica +p&p but what I don't like seeing is the seller stating PayPal fees are to be covered buy the buyer. 

 

[Tommikka]

Then theres insurance. If I know/trust the seller then I just send it 48h. If I’m sending something that costs a grand to some random person then it’s getting insured 

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Don’t skimp on insurance because you know & trust the buyer, you aren’t insuring against them but on it arriving safely 

Only save on insurance & tracking if you are happy to take the loss

 

[Sev]

What the seller is offering is an item, NOT a sales package, unless they state otherwise. Therefore the price you should see is for the item only. The buyer should expect that the expense of getting the item to them is an extra charge. It is no different whenever you buy anything online or in any transaction where extras are offered.

If someone is genuinely interested in an item, any normal person would ask about postage if it is not stated in the price. If that comes in too pricey, you negotiate. It is really simple and I find it strange that people cannot understand this.

The only valid argument here is that the buyer should never be expected to cover any PayPal fees, and I totally agree with that.

The buyer should only be liable for the cost of the item and getting it shipped to them if they cannot collect. If the seller wishes to use a payment method that costs them, they cannot pass that charge onto the buyer because the fee is not a direct result of a choice made by the buyer. The seller chose to have a service with a fee, not the buyer. 

 

[Rogerborg]

While I find it baffling that sellers advertising on a national forum rather than a local group would assume that collection is likely, let along the default scenario.

Or that they'd ask the buyer what courier they'd prefer to be used, given that the risk of posting is entirely on the seller, as is the contract with the courier.

Should I ever go insane in the membrane and buy used again - and this discussion is an exemplar of why I probably won't - the only thing I'd be asking a seller to do is to send me a PayPal invoice for goods and delivery, then deciding whether I want to pay that or not.  The logistics and costs of posting is something that the seller should know before advertising the items, not after hearing from an interested buyer.

I mean, that's if they want to get a sale.  It's no skin off my nose if they want to make it easier to just buy new.

 

[Tommikka]

The final thing that it comes down to is the amount of money a buyer is willing to pay

If all the costs are shown then the buyer will

decide if it’s worth that to them

£10 postage and 3.4% PayPal fees don’t turn an object worth £100 to being worth £114.60, but if a seller wants £100 in their pocket they are going to have to ask that much or only have a face to face sale.

There aren’t many things that cost more to order online then in the shops.  People won’t much pay for the convenience of having things delivered to the door, much more likely to go to the shops to check out items, then go online to pay less

 

[Druid799]

In the end it comes down to expectations, when I see a price for what ever I expect it to be the only price involved in the transaction (as do many others) and other expect only the price of the goods to be advertised and all other costs are added on later . So I think it’s safe to say it’s a ‘I believe this and you believe that and neither of us will change on the subject’ topic ?

 

[Slamz]

I don't see the issue tbh. For example I've sold thousands of quids worth car parts lately (via forums and Facebook) and every single one I've posted I give the buyer the option of adding fees or sending as a gift (I'm pretty well known in certain car communities which helps) and always say buyer pays postage. Not once has anyone had an issue.

Advertise for the price you want collected, if they want posting and paying via Paypal, they add fees, it's not at all hard, and I won't be changing anytime soon (why the hell should I lose out because the buyer wants protection?) In all honesty if someone had a hissy fit about paying a few quid in fees I'd more than likely just delete their message and sell to someone else.

 

[Immortal]

I think it's rubbish to add fees, just say the price and send it insured.

If you want to stick a tenner on the price just do it, I don't need to know.

It's a negative sales technique and over complicates a simple process.

People are supposed to feel good about buying something. Not distracted by the seller being a skinflint.

 

[Slamz]

Can I ask, how does adding the fees and postage on (if the buyer decides this) make the seller a skinflint? As that makes literally zero logical sense.

If doing a very basic sum over-complicates things to the point you won't buy it, I think a quick trip back to Primary School maths class is in order.

I'm genuinely intrigued as to why this is such an issue for some on here, as I've never seen anyone have issue with it on any other forum/marketplace I've been on

 

[Immortal]

Can I ask, how does adding the fees and postage on (if the buyer decides this) make the seller a skinflint? As that makes literally zero logical sense.

If doing a very basic sum over-complicates things to the point you won't buy it, I think a quick trip back to Primary School maths class is in order  

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I said to 'say the price and send it insured' - I never said the postage should be included in the price - just the fee.

The cost of the fee is what I consider 'Skinflint', just write it into the price. Like you said it's a very basic sum.

It's not the fact there is a fee but that it should just be worked into the price. It's only my opinion.

There's no need to be an arrogant child about disagreeing with a post so quit with the Primary School bollocks.

 

[Slamz]

I said to 'say the price and send it insured' - I never said the postage should be included in the price - just the fee.

The cost of the fee is what I consider 'Skinflint', just write it into the price. Like you said it's a very basic sum.

It's not the fact there is a fee but that it should just be worked into the price. It's only my opinion.

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But why would you work a Paypal fee into a price for something that may be collected? Expecting a seller to pay buyer protection on a posted  item isn't tight in any way, seems like quite an ignorant way of looking at it, but that's only my opinion 

There's no need to be an arrogant child about disagreeing with a post so quit with the Primary School bollocks.

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Someone's touchy ??

 

[Immortal]

But why would you work a Paypal fee into a price for something that may be collected? Expecting a seller to pay buyer protection isn't tight in anyway way, seems like quite an ignorant way of looking at it, but that's only my opinion 

Someone's touchy ??

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LOL :lol: We could keep this up all night but it's fair to say your not even going to try and read what I posted.

No I'm not touchy. Ha! You aren't that effective. Jeez, a skinflint with a big ego to boot. It just get's better!

 

[Slamz]

There's no need to be tight when you're as good as me though 

If you're unable to debate without poor insult attempts that's fine though, you do you.

 

[Druid799]

What it comes down too is there’s a fair few of us in the Airsoft community (can’t comment on any other hobbies as this is the only one that I do that has an on-line presence) who see the addition of Paypal fees and P&P costs AFTER interest is shown in your sale is just wrong if you don’t agree that’s your choice .

but please don’t try and belittle anyone for disagreeing with your opinion .

opinions are like arseholes everyone has one and to be honest I’m not interested in yours ? Thank you and good night ! 

 

[E21A]

How about looking at this from a different angle, would you be as annoyed by this subject if you advertised something including fees and postage to then be asked by any potential buyers how much you’ll knock the price down if they collect? 

Just a thought. 

 

[Slamz]

What it comes down too is there’s a fair few of us in the Airsoft community (can’t comment on any other hobbies as this is the only one that I do that has an on-line presence) who see the addition of Paypal fees and P&P costs AFTER interest is shown in your sale is just wrong if you don’t agree that’s your choice .

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That's fair, maybe it's more of an isolated issue within few communities.

but please don’t try and belittle anyone for disagreeing with your opinion .

opinions are like arseholes everyone has one and to be honest I’m not interested in yours ? Thank you and good night ! 

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I enjoyed the hypocrisy in this, thanks for the laugh!

How about looking at this from a different angle, would you be as annoyed by this subject if you advertised something including fees and postage to then be asked by any potential buyers how much you’ll knock the price down if they collect? 

Just a thought. 

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This is a good point, honestly selling on the internet is a nightmare, whatever you do you'll get moronic questions. Don't forget the 'how much would you take CASH for this' as if cash (in capitals for effect) is somehow worth more to a private seller than bank transfer etc.

 

[Druid799]

I enjoyed the hypocrisy in this, thanks for the laugh!

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Wasn’t aimed at you , was to all of us , but guilty conscience ??