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Bells’n’whistles a custom does not make .

Yeah if you build a aeg from a receiver upwards its custom as everything is uniquely combined. Custom is a premium term it shouldn't be used by dave down the road who put a new piston in his gearbox and now it sounds worse than before...

 
You speak of the G3 with full wood kit as been custom. I wouldn't call it custom at all, none of the parts that go into one are user specific. A better description is period specific.

Same thing with an M16, You can have the modern RIS look, but you might go for a solid stock, large front hand-guard, chrome bolt and make it 1960's period specific. It's still not a custom.

Now if I were to take the G3 to a wood worker, and have a full walnut stock in a different pattern, with brass additions and file work. That to me is custom. It's made just for me, no one else has one, and if they do it will be because they copied mine, the term bespoke could also apply.

Picking off the shelf parts will never equal a custom/bespoke gun. It'll end up as a modified, or upgraded.

Not custom.
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You speak of the G3 with full wood kit as been custom. I wouldn't call it custom at all, none of the parts that go into one are user specific. A better description is period specific.

Same thing with an M16, You can have the modern RIS look, but you might go for a solid stock, large front hand-guard, chrome bolt and make it 1960's period specific. It's still not a custom.

Now if I were to take the G3 to a wood worker, and have a full walnut stock in a different pattern, with brass additions and file work. That to me is custom. It's made just for me, no one else has one, and if they do it will be because they copied mine, the term bespoke could also apply.

Picking off the shelf parts will never equal a custom/bespoke gun. It'll end up as a modified, or upgraded.

Not custom.



 
One caveat I would put on your point of view (which I basically agree with) is the work involved in it , in today’s instant answer , immediate gratification , disposable society we live in how many would actually put the work in to achieve the ‘period correct’ look ? I’d say not many so even though it wouldn’t be THAT difficult to replicate one of your beautiful G3’s I’d still class it in the custom/bespoke category of builds simply for this very reason , today’s society on the whole is just too dam lazy to put in the effort needed to achieve it ? 

 
One caveat I would put on your point of view (which I basically agree with) is the work involved in it , in today’s instant answer , immediate gratification , disposable society we live in how many would actually put the work in to achieve the ‘period correct’ look ? I’d say not many so even though it wouldn’t be THAT difficult to replicate one of your beautiful G3’s I’d still class it in the custom/bespoke category of builds simply for this very reason , today’s society on the whole is just too dam lazy to put in the effort needed to achieve it ? 
Saying that is pretty much true. The wood alone ended up with 5 coats of oil, and it's probably ready for another already.

I had a guy at a shoot offer me very good money for the G3, and I turned him down based on how much work has gone into it, and how long it would take me to build another. Granted he had a go at shooting it as well, And I couldn't get rid of him for the rest of the day asking stupid questions about gearbox and hop upgrades.

Turned out by the end of the day he bought a top end M4 (ares), Ripped it to bits, whacked in all branded parts, CNC shells, CNC hops you name it it was in there. And it still shot like a broken JG. IMO everything he'd done was wrong, and now he had no base line to get it right again. Definitely one of "those" customs.

 
If you want to spend £500 buying real steel parts to put on your combat machine then go right ahead. But internally it's exactly the same as every other CM16 on the market. 

Whatever you've done externally shouldn't effect the price of the gun. If you don't want to sell it because of certain parts then take them off and sell them individually. 

Just my two cents.
Internally, I agree- an upgrade is an upgrade and a sight, foregrip, changed stock etc. is NOT and upgrade.

As for paint jobs - I think if it's good enough, that SHOULD affect the cost of the gun. People like GearTech etc. put a lot of hard work into paint jobs and there are cases where I believe it adds value.

As a side note, again, just because someone has changed something internal, it's not necessarily an "upgrade" - the parts may be better but if they've been put in by a potato and the gun shoots 10 feet it's not an upgrade.

 
As for paint jobs - I think if it's good enough, that SHOULD affect the cost of the gun. People like GearTech etc. put a lot of hard work into paint jobs and there are cases where I believe it adds value.
Yes now for me this is bit of a gray area , a Gear-tech paint job Can make the most boring of guns look Truly epic , but its a custom paint job , it  does NOT make it a custom gun but yes I do agree it could raise the value of a gun (but equally could de-value it as it gives kit a very personal look which may not be to everyone’s tastes?) 

Really though when you come down to it 99% of paint jobs you see really are shit and have absolutely no benefit to a guns salability  .

 
So if you have a Hello Kitty rifle you are out of luck ?

 
What the hell is that stock?
The fact it’s a ‘hello kitty’ M4 and Desert Eagle? Not a problem !

the outlandish shape of the stock ? Now THAT doth rise his indignation and rath upon it ! ?

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The fact it’s a ‘hello kitty’ M4 and Desert Eagle? Not a problem !

the outlandish shape of the stock ?


That, and it's on the peachy side of pink.  The red sight is OK, that's the bow on top.

 
Here is my 2 cents, cuz im bored...

By the Oxford English Dictionary definition of Custom:

Made or done to order; custom-made.

By the Oxford English Dictionary definition of Custom-made/Custom-built:

Made or done to order for a particular customer.

By those definitions, even if someone hand carved a mahogany frame/stock from a solid block of wood to make a gun a particular way, its still not 'Custom' unless the person receiving/purchasing said item specifically asked for it that way beforehand.

My hi-capa is custom. I built it myself, for myself. I am my own customer. I built it to my own specifications. I hand fitted parts to make them compatible. I hand polished things to make them look a particular way that cannot be bought from any  shelf  in any shop.

Is this custom? Yes.

If I was to then, later on, wish to sell it, could I advertise it as custom? No.

If Druid was to approach me and ask me to build him a similar gun but he wants a specific amount of recoil, a specific slide, a specific paint job or engraving, is this custom? Yes, but only to him.

Now...

By the Oxford English Dictionary definition of 'Customised':

Modified to suit a particular individual or task.

So technically this definition also follows the above however that final word in the definition changes things slightly, 'Task'.

Lets quickly re-cover what has already been said.

Could I sell my hi-capa as 'Custom'? No, because the potential recipient did not ask for it that way.

But could I sell it as 'Customised'? Potentially. I have built it for increased speed of operation, increased muzzle velocity and increased range.

If I had built it to be a 'Race Gun' for competition firing then I could sell it as 'Customised' such as 'Customised for competition shooting' (the specific task).

Would it be anywhere close to the best race guns out there? Fuck no! That would require a lot more weight to be removed to make it faster and lighter, a red dot for precision etc.

However, if I had built it with competition shooting in mind, I could market it as customised (for competition shooting), just not very well.

 
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