Am I Now An Airsoft W**ker?

[Fatboy40]

I've been trying to get my max 1.14J Double Eagle M904E to be the best it can be on 0.28g BBs, still have a snappy'ish trigger but try and surprise people with its range, and I was disappointed with the consistency / range from a ZCI plastic rotary hop unit so I've sold my soul to the devil...

... to try and get as consistent and light a hop as possible. The stock trigger spring snapped right at the end of my last game so I thought sod it, get a Maxx speed trigger and an M4A-PRO.

I've already got a few Maxx nozzles so used a 21.25 with it, and Maxx do warn that your FPS may be a little higher, and I gained a good 15 or so FPS from it (going from around 290 to 305) so will go from the current M110 spring to an M105 which should make the gearbox and motor happy.

So I'm happy, but know that probably 50% of other players think I'm now a twat ?

 

[SBoardley]

Generally speaking, you’re only an airsoft wanker f you go binary or hpa a pistol with a drum mag adapter. So you are good mate; for now. 

 

[Tackle]

Don't encourage me ?

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[Badgerlicious]

What's an "A wanker"? 

Also a maxx hop doesn't make you a wanker, it makes you a rube. 

 

[Adolf Hamster]

Eh, in the platforms it fits the maxx isnt a bad unit, some regard it as overpriced which is a fair assessment, but not bad.

Certainly not wanker grade.

 

[Skara]

Best M4 hop unit, once you get past a few compatibility niggles.

Whoever says otherwise is just wrong.

 

[RostokMcSpoons]

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Inability to spot the catastrophic use of "your" instead of "you're".  The joke sir, is you on YOU sir!    

I must admit I'm surprised @Fatboy40 you're having a problem with the DE.  I simply swapped out the stock rubber and nub for the usual 50 degree Macaron + Omega nub combo... I didn't see any obvious improvement in accuracy when I did my target testing at ~15M, but I was very happy with the distances I was getting out on the field. 
I've used both 0.28 and 0.30 BBs.

Good luck with the Maxx hop.  It wouldn't have been my choice given the usual noise around their "value proposition" but whatever works is good - let's hope it works for you!

 

[Lozart]

I have Maxx hops in my two main guns. They work well for me, I bought my first one when they were still red because they came with built in tracer function and it also happens to be a really good hop unit. The second one was among the original run of the gold coloured ones (more by luck than judgement) and it too works just fine.

Could I have achieved similar performance with a cheaper unit? Possibly. Would I have built in tracer function? No. Would I have a funky little clip thing that stops me dropping BBs all over the place when I change mags? No. Do I care that they're more expensive than a plastic ZCI rotary? Not really.

Much like all things airsoft, around 20% of what you hear is valid, the rest is noise and hearsay.

 

[RostokMcSpoons]

Would I have a funky little clip thing that stops me dropping BBs all over the place when I change mags?

The typical "4 BB fall-out" pisses me off!  I do most of my test firing in the lounge out to the garden, and inevitably manage to drop a couple of BBs on to the hardwood floor, then spend time chasing them around under the furniture etc.

If Maxx hop units stop that, I'd be inclined to buy 'em - please tell me more!

Much like all things airsoft, around 20% of what you hear is valid, the rest is noise and hearsay.

To be fair, much (almost all?) of that noise that I've heard/seen is from Luke at Neg Airsoft loudly dissing them and bigging up the ZCI hops.  That usually carries some weight...?

 

[Rogerborg]

The typical "4 BB fall-out" pisses me off!

Being a cheap Scotchman (I know that's redundant) I tend to invert guns while mag-changing to save every precious little sphere.

 

[Badgerlicious]

The typical "4 BB fall-out" pisses me off!  I do most of my test firing in the lounge out to the garden, and inevitably manage to drop a couple of BBs on to the hardwood floor, then spend time chasing them around under the furniture etc.

Mags with followers prevent this, and if I don't have that I have a bin or a box nearby to open my gun over. 

The internal tracer unit is nice, and the only reason to get one imo. 

 

[BigBell1987]

To be fair, much (almost all?) of that noise that I've heard/seen is from Luke at Neg Airsoft loudly dissing them and bigging up the ZCI hops.  That usually carries some weight...?

Enjoy his videos, curious what people's thoughts are on him and his knowledge, comes across as no bullshit, simple upgrades mostly stock just choose a good system in the first place which appeals to me being new to the game but that lack of experience also means one knows not who to trust. He openly admits that many people dispute him but that just makes me trust him more. I'll go start a thread on this save steering the topic away, thinking out loud right now, apologies.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

To be fair, much (almost all?) of that noise that I've heard/seen is from Luke at Neg Airsoft loudly dissing them and bigging up the ZCI hops.  That usually carries some weight..

They can be finnicky in some recievers, and theyre a lot more expensive for not a lot more bb lobbing performance compared to the zci's

But if it sits nice in your gun, and you're the type to care about climbing that diminishing returns curve/the shiny extras, then they are good units.

 

[Skara]

He knows his stuff, but in some cases I think he goes over the top with ridiculous arguments (fitting a Maxx unit takes less time and brain cells than making a gearbox feed and seal on a warhead motor, that is undeniable, yet he is willing to go great lengths to fit a warhead but won't bother doing slight adjustments to fit a Maxx, for some obscure reason)

Back on topic:

Are you on a tight budget? ZCI

Do you care about squeezing every bit of performance out of your gun? Maxx

 

[Rogerborg]

I was disappointed with the consistency / range from a ZCI plastic rotary hop unit

What I hope is that you'll do an honest appraisal of the MaXXX versus the ZCI, ideally a before-and-after bench test with the variables and human factors minimised.

So much of this hobby is about feeling good about what we fit rather than any objective benefit.

 

[Fatboy40]

What I hope is that you'll do an honest appraisal of the MaXXX versus the ZCI, ideally a before-and-after bench test with the variables and human factors minimised.

So much of this hobby is about feeling good about what we fit rather than any objective benefit.

That's the plan. I'm playing this Sunday at the same site that I last played at, Ironsight, which I could walk around in my sleep.

There's a particular outdoors rat run that's around 50m in length with some fixed points of cover, and I use this to judge range and accuracy, and last time with 0.28g + ZCI hop unit + Maple Leaf AEG inner barrel + Maple Leaf MR 60 degree bucking + Omega nub I wasn't happy with the range I was getting.

I've gone from the stock hop unit to the ZCI, however for me I couldn't get a sweet spot, it was either too much or not enough hop, plus the Omega nub never sat perfectly (maybe something to do with the ZCI or its arm).

After talking to Maxx Model, telling them my setup, I'm using their solid metal concave nub which they recommended and which is one of the reasons I bought the M4A-PRO in the first place (a perfectly cantered nub that's also a little wider than the Omega). Also fine hop adjustment feels like it should be substantially better, turning the wheel with your thumb it feels somehow tight to move but at the same time buttery smooth.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

I've gone from the stock hop unit to the ZCI, however for me I couldn't get a sweet spot, it was either too much or not enough hop, plus the Omega nub never sat perfectly (maybe something to do with the ZCI or its arm).

it wasn't one of those non-maple leaf omega nubs?

i've had a couple of those that weren't all that square.

After talking to Maxx Model, telling them my setup, I'm using their solid metal concave nub which they recommended and which is one of the reasons I bought the M4A-PRO in the first place (a perfectly cantered nub that's also a little wider than the Omega). Also fine hop adjustment feels like it should be substantially better, turning the wheel with your thumb it feels somehow tight to move but at the same time buttery smooth.

aye the R-block works just fine with the ml buckings.

tbh the flat/rhop type hops do tend to be a lot more sensitive in terms of a sweet spot, just how they are, which is where the proliferation of rotary hops comes from.

 

[Skara]

tbh the flat/rhop type hops do tend to be a lot more sensitive in terms of a sweet spot, just how they are, which is where the proliferation of rotary hops comes from.

And because a rotary hop can't unwind itself with use like a traditional 3 gears hop does.

 

[Adolf Hamster]

And because a rotary hop can't unwind itself with use like a traditional 3 gears hop does.

tbf, i've had some loose rotaries that could unwind and i've had/bodged conventional units to not unwind.

 

[Fatboy40]

it wasn't one of those non-maple leaf omega nubs?

Nope, 100% Maple Leaf.