Ai500 Big Games. Anyone Been to One?

[Impulse]

You are a very forgiving person. 

 

Haha, maybe, but also because most of the guys I went with have been going to AI500 for over a decade and said it's usually better than this one. So, forgiving and optimistic, perhaps foolish 

Plus, I still had a lot of fun with my friends (there was a big group of us on cartel side. I think we were about 21 players, so almost half a syndicate), but my way of playing is less impacted by a lot of the issues. I mostly crept around the outside of the buildings and picked people off with the m21.

 

[PureSilver]

No chrono. [...] Eye Pro got shot off and broken (reputable brands so probably hot guns).

I find it insane that any insurer is crazy enough to offer cover to airsoft events that don't use a mandatory chronograph. Broken eyepro levels of hot gun is just crazy.

We had fights, fires

Tell me more about these fights and fires, sounds thrilling.

 

[Rogerborg]

I think they probably should've opened earlier on the Friday and had a dedicated couple of hours to chrono everyone's guns.

Usual opinion on that: pre-game chrono is theatre.  It confirms that honest players are honest, or will punish them for being inadvertently a bit hot (but honest enough to show up).

Rogues - and we seem sure they were in evidence - will simply cheat or avoid it.  They'll even get a thrill out of that.

The "holiday rules" aspect of an expensive event like that is also going to lead to it, and if they pre-announced that there was going to be no chrono, they practically invited it.

You either catch rogues in game, or not at all.  No warnings, no excuses, no "I'll put it in the car", they're off the site.

Given the paucity of marshals, that was clearly never going to happen.

I'll be heading to the next one. We've given a lot of feedback, so fingers crossed they listen to it.

Shouldn't your support (and money) be conditional on their behaviour changing?  If not, why would they bother?

I find it insane that any insurer is crazy enough to offer cover to airsoft events that don't use a mandatory chronograph. Broken eyepro levels of hot gun is just crazy.

That's assuming that they'd been honest in their disclosure.  Actually, it's assuming that they were insured at all.  Given the likely cost of cover for a one-off event, they might have decided to just chance their arm.

And I say "they", but if you'd lost an eye, who exactly would you sue?  An individual? A limited company?  A limited company with no assets set up just to run these events?

And on what grounds?  Having eye-pro shot off or through doesn't automatically mean a hot gun, and accidents don't always mean liability.  Eye pro can be insecure or insufficient.  As I keep noting, EN166-F glasses are not and can not be rated for airsoft energies, and yet many folk wear them.

The only case I can think of is one where a rental lad got blinded by being shot in the eye, in a safe zone, point blank, and claimed that the site had said nothing about removing mags, hadn't checked them, and hadn't prevented dry-firing.  You'd think that would be open and shut, but even at that, the site argued the toss on liability and I don't know how or if it was resolved.

 

[Tackle]

We're talking about AI here, if they can't be arsed to spellcheck their magazine, what chance have you got that they'll properly organise a big event, they've always traded on their "name", in the hope that people will put their trust (& money) in them as a longstanding publication. 

I've personally played alongside & against the AI editorial team in the past, only to find that they seem to think the game rules dont apply to them, so when I hear criticism of how they run events, I'm not surprised in the least. 

 

[Albiscuit]

They needed more marshalls. 6 for 400 players is nowhere near enough. At Worthing, we typically have 3 marshalls on a skirmish day, but that's for like... 60 players. I'm not saying they should have 20 marshalls, but 6 wasn't enough to keep it going.

Why not?

If your going to have 400 players you NEED a decent marshal to player ratio. The more the better, you cant cut corners on safety to cut costs, well clearly you can but its not acceptable.

6 would be needed in the safe zone to keep order and things working whilst people are playing, 6 wouldnt cover the parking if there were 200 odd cars. 

 

[Rogerborg]

they seem to think the game rules dont apply to them

See also YouChoob "celebrities" and "professionals".

This used to happen all the time in reenactment as well.  Local single-group events were great fun, and carefully run.  Big multi-group events tended to become shitshows, with an escalating level of "Well, if you're playing by your own rules, then so am I."

Not always, some of them were very well thought through and run, and you could generally tell beforehand which ones they were going to be, and which were going to be wing-it-and-hope whangfests.

I know which one this event looked like up front.  

 

[Cannonfodder]

We're talking about AI here, if they can't be arsed to spellcheck their magazine, what chance have you got that they'll properly organise a big event, they've always traded on their "name", in the hope that people will put their trust (& money) in them as a longstanding publication. 

I've personally played alongside & against the AI editorial team in the past, only to find that they seem to think the game rules dont apply to them, so when I hear criticism of how they run events, I'm not surprised in the least. 

Hit the nail on the head there. I remember playing against one of the AI staff and he was ignoring multiple hits from several players (at under 50ft away. We could see the shots bouncing off him) to get in a place he knew we weren't allowed to shoot at him, before blindly throwing home made pyros around. One of which caused several hundred pounds worth of damage to someone's M249. 

It's saddening to see they haven't changed and so I'll continue to boycott them

 

[Albiscuit]

Like I said elsewhere most sites cant organise a decent days skirmish with 100 players why would we expect a bunch of magazine editors to be able to run a decent game for 400 people in a site they dont run?

 

[Dalerj94]

Team Sasquatch, Charlie Division CT17 footage from day 1 - part 2 from day 1, and parts for day 2, incoming ?