A small part of me died

[Tackle]

while I'm not a fan of speedsoft per-se, unless your playing at a dedicated speedsoft arena, then the term only relates to a play style & mindset.

with that in mind, I highly doubt that said players will dominate most sites or scenarios, in fact I'd go as far to say they'd often be at a disadvantage against many of us more pedestrian sneaky mofo's, unless they can move faster than 350fps ?

 

[PopRocket123]

The site you play at definitely affects the type of players you meet. I have occasionally seen speedsofters at woodland or outdoor CQB games but they tend to play a lot more like regular players when the games are longer and there's less chance to catch your breath and rearm between games

 

[Druid799]

I very much don't like speedsoft, but have no problem with them.

And I must agree with the guy. If you are not good enough then it shouldn't be about restricting the ones who are. It's the same with sniping which I'm much interested in. I've spent years trying to be better and I spend quite a few hours a week to improve my gear and knowledge. The work I put in makes me a more effective player than the one who just turns up. Same with speedsofters. They are more fit, faster, have better reflexes and better aim than others, that's why they are better. Should we play one hand tied behind our backs to be on the same level as the weakest player on site? No, definitely not.

But the casual players or who are just starting to put in the work should enjoy the game too, no doubt about that.

Not saying players should be restricted by the site for being ‘too good’ Simply saying would it hurt to hope ALL players on site would show a little bit of consideration to everyone else and not just act like it’s there own personal training ground especially if asked too ease up a bit , (we’ve all seen players asked to swap teams due to how effective they were to even things up so I’d say same thing) it’s easy enough to say improve your game but no amount of training or willpower is going to allow a 45yr old to compete in a foot race with a 20somthing speed merchant is it ?

my point comes about due to a gameday I was at recently , when ever there was a capture the objective game there was a group of lads who just took off at a hell of a rate of knots got there first took the objective and with much hollering and hi five’ing that was game over before most players have even got half way in to the game zone , now I know that’s the point of the game but they just turned it in to a foot race with barely a shot fired by anyone and when the subject was broached with them the attitude was we’ve paid our money as well so tuff , we’re here to win . That is the bit I find incompatible with a walk on gameday .

Do agree though when there was a moving objective game then yes there speed advantage was canceled out and there racing guns weren’t much use either . This was a woodland site , CQB sites are a totally different ball game .

 

[Jaylordofwaargh]

is there not space in a well-known day to have an ultra small map for a game not unlike speed soft? What about a quick game after lunch before the 'main' afternoon? 

At a site that reverses each game 'winning' is all about how quickly you can take each objective isn't?

 

[Adolf Hamster]

See the problem is they'd rather win than have a good fight, whereas today i have no idea which games we won or lost, but i know there was some good fightin regardless.

Thing is in that case its up to the site to change up the game modes to stop that happening, its the opposite end of the spectrum to a grindfest and just as annoying.

Switch it up to a fall back game and let the older players get themselves nicely perched in the bushes and see how well speedsoft tactics work against that.

 

[Druid799]

is there not space in a well-known day to have an ultra small map for a game not unlike speed soft? What about a quick game after lunch before the 'main' afternoon? 

At a site that reverses each game 'winning' is all about how quickly you can take each objective isn't?

Don’t disagree the ultimate objective is to win (fastest to capture the what ever type games are among my favorite) but my problem was you had a small group of players who’s only interest was to win as quickly as possible for them selves with no care at all for anyone else taking part and where treating the day almost as a ‘training session’ for them selves . In the end the marshals dropped those type of games and ran the rest of the day single shot only , so you needed field craft as well as a fast gun !?

Ultimately you had the whole gameday being changed because of a very small group , so you had the majority having to change to accommodate the minority ?     

 

[Jaylordofwaargh]

win as quickly as possible for them selves with no care at all for anyone else taking part and where treating the day almost as a ‘training session’ for them selves . In the end the marshals dropped those type of games and ran the rest of the day single shot only , so you needed field craft as well as a fast gun !?

Well done to the marshals for being quick on the take. 

However is this not the case when 'teams' turn up to anytime woodland site? A team of two in full practise more could change the whole flow of the day... I am playing devils here as part of the experience is the community, growth of said community so one of the things to come from that will be teams...

By the same token there are three aspects to our hobby nd having not explored milsim or speedsoft as if get i can't say whether this group was in the wrong place. Are there walk o n speedball days? This question is also out of place here

 

[Rogerborg]

In the end the marshals dropped those type of games 

Then I'm not really seeing much of a problem.  The speedsofties had their fun, then the Bush Wookies did.  Let's sing a song about compromise, and how we're not so different as we think.

 

[Aengus]

Comes down to site managers and marshalls to manage it through game changes and site design at the end of the day. If they can't or wont change their plan for who turns up on the day it must be a poorly ran site and you should be complaining at them rather than the ones that are just playing the game.

Also; Was this man called Richard sounds very Richard?

 

[Druid799]

Comes down to site managers and marshalls to manage it through game changes and site design at the end of the day. If they can't or wont change their plan for who turns up on the day it must be a poorly ran site and you should be complaining at them rather than the ones that are just playing the game.

Also; Was this man called Richard sounds very Richard?

The site did try to sort it , they asked them to ease up on turning it in to nothing but a foot race and they basically turned around and said fuck off ! So the site then dropped the single objective games and banned full auto for the rest of the day so they had to play the same as everyone else .

Question why should a site change its layout to suit 5or6 players when the other 60 on site are happy with it as it is ? seeing as I’m middle aged with a nackered leg and a couple of cracked vertebrae and can’t run for shit anymore are the guys who run the speedsoft sites going to alter them to suit me because I’ve turned up and want to play there ? Don’t think so !

Equally applies to any sport that has different styles ?  

Just indicative of life in general these days the majority having to bend to accommodate the minority.

PS who the feck is Richard ? ?

 

[Immortal]

The site did try to sort it , they asked them to ease up on turning it in to nothing but a foot race and they basically turned around and said fuck off ! So the site then dropped the single objective games and banned full auto for the rest of the day so they had to play the same as everyone else .

Question why should a site change its layout to suit 5or6 players when the other 60 on site are happy with it as it is ? seeing as I’m middle aged with a nackered leg and a couple of cracked vertebrae and can’t run for shit anymore are the guys who run the speedsoft sites going to alter them to suit me because I’ve turned up and want to play there ? Don’t think so !

Equally applies to any sport that has different styles ?  

Just indicative of life in general these days the majority having to bend to accommodate the minority.

PS who the feck is Richard ? ?

Are you shaking your fist through a net curtain whilst saying this? :lol:

(However I agree; why change for a minority... typical of the times)

 

[Druid799]

Are you shaking your fist through a net curtain whilst saying this? :lol:

(However I agree; why change for a minority... typical of the times)

Nope , I don’t hide behind net curtains if I’m haranguing you in the street then I’m doing it with the window open and I’m hanging out of it shouting at you ! ???

 

[Tackle]

Are there many sites that have particular playing areas perfectly suited to speedsoft/speedball style games, I've only come across one or two in nearly twenty years, & they were only used briefly during gamedays, usually first or last game of the day.

sure, some players are gonna have an advantage in the "get to the objective first" games, but that doesn't have to be a speed softer, just any fit/reasonably young player who's built like a whippet, as opposed to an old lumbering behemoth ?.

also I don't subscribe to the idea that a dedicated speedsofter will be an accurate shot, their only advantage may lie in using certain cover to get up close & personal & rely on full auto to get lucky hits spraying at targets while on the run, which I can see some more orthodox players (me included) taking exception to being "overkilled" at very close range.

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Are you shaking your fist through a net curtain whilst saying this? :lol:

(However I agree; why change for the butt-hurt snowflake morons...... typical of the times)

Fixed that for you ?

 

[Musica]

Biggest problem I see is not the speedsofters but that you had game modes designed to end by a game method that could be accomplished by a few individuals.   My local CQB site runs better game modes that just can't end quickly like this. 

Fastest game I ever seen was 6 minutes long and it  was an attack defend game mode with no respawns for defenders and the attackers only killed about half of the defenders and rushed in to the objective in a crouch run and claimed it. This is a warm up game as well and they flip sides after awards so you get at least double the time playing assuming you don't get killed first as a defender. 

 

[DrAlexanderTobacco]

The site did try to sort it , they asked them to ease up on turning it in to nothing but a foot race and they basically turned around and said fuck off ! So the site then dropped the single objective games and banned full auto for the rest of the day so they had to play the same as everyone else .

Question why should a site change its layout to suit 5or6 players when the other 60 on site are happy with it as it is ? seeing as I’m middle aged with a nackered leg and a couple of cracked vertebrae and can’t run for shit anymore are the guys who run the speedsoft sites going to alter them to suit me because I’ve turned up and want to play there ? Don’t think so !

Equally applies to any sport that has different styles ?  

Just indicative of life in general these days the majority having to bend to accommodate the minority.

PS who the feck is Richard ? ?

Fully accept I might being going against the grain here, but I think it's unfair to blame the presumably younger, more fitter players from playing at the pace they're used to.

You're saying the site won't alter the game to suit you, but it sounds like they did. They did the opposite of what you're arguing against. They changed the site layout *against* the 5 or 6 players, to suit the majority - good to see they did it. A bad site owner would've just kept things going as they were.

A site's games should be tailored to the players. If no one's really bothered about going for the objectives (that's the impression I get here - correct me if I'm wrong) - what's the problem with just having team deathmatch games? The end result is ultimately the same, everyone has a nice chilled game moving around at their own pace.

E: Sorry Druid I misread this bit "seeing as I’m middle aged with a nackered leg and a couple of cracked vertebrae and can’t run for shit anymore are the guys who run the speedsoft sites going to alter them to suit me"

I assumed you were talking about the original site still, not a hypothetical site - either way I would say that it's not really the speedsofters fault, considering they were simply playing the game as set up by the owners.

 

[Immortal]

I just don't like the shell suit and mums knockoff hangbag kit most Speedsofters wear...  :lol:

(Ooops, did I say that online?! :blink: )

 

[Tackle]

Sometimes game scenarios are a bit "suck it & see", not everything works with every site or client base, so a bit of flexibility is preferable to players packing up early due to disappointment, whatever the cause.

Unfortunately it's not just speedsofters that can upset the balance, & by balance I don't just mean winning in the shortest possible time with barely a shot fired, I've seen teams turn up that while they're playing in a more traditional military role, their self belief in their own abilities & their overtly aggressive behavior, often combined with a lack of hit taking, has had a detrimental effect on the quality of play for both sides.

the latter type of players often feel that intimidation is part of their strategy, with the often polar results that opposing players will end up either squaring up for verbal or physical altercations, or alternatively walking away, aware that this kind of play isn't what they signed up for, & that it can only escalate.

unfortunately, this kind of thing has become more common, why I don't know.

 

[Aengus]

The site did try to sort it , they asked them to ease up on turning it in to nothing but a foot race and they basically turned around and said fuck off ! So the site then dropped the single objective games and banned full auto for the rest of the day so they had to play the same as everyone else .

Question why should a site change its layout to suit 5or6 players when the other 60 on site are happy with it as it is ? seeing as I’m middle aged with a nackered leg and a couple of cracked vertebrae and can’t run for shit anymore are the guys who run the speedsoft sites going to alter them to suit me because I’ve turned up and want to play there ? Don’t think so !

Equally applies to any sport that has different styles ?  

Just indicative of life in general these days the majority having to bend to accommodate the minority.

PS who the feck is Richard ? ?

They're not changing it to suit the minority as such. More just remove the opportunity for random players to have such a drastic effect. So basically what Musica is saying. If a group of 5 out of 60 can turn up and make such a drastic impact that it ruins everyone elses day the site has to have done something wrong whether it be poor site design, simple one man objectives or unbalanced teams. In a well set up site 1/12th of the players tryharding should make little difference. Your site did a good job imo.

Also Richard is a guy that loiters on facebook shitposting and riling up people like you , Also a pretty decent tech.

 

[Druid799]

@DrAlexanderTobacco didn’t have a problem with the changes (to be honest I’m not that bothered what ever the game is just as long me and my mates and everyone else have a good day) was just raising the point that the site had to change as the players refused to just rain it in a bit .

Yea was talking hypothetical about a speedsoft site altering its lay out to suit me , just as an example really of if the situation was to be reversed.

I’ve never been against it (I don’t deny Im not a fan but certainly don’t have any problem with anyone who does play it) its just another face of the sport , no it’s just I don’t see them running successfully together on a bog standard walk on site , no one can deny the bulk of the players at a walk-on aren’t particularly fit or ‘speedy’ types so obviously if you chuck a group of super motivated players in the mix then there gona absolutely dominate the game , just the nature of the beast nothing more nothing less . 

They're not changing it to suit the minority as such. More just remove the opportunity for random players to have such a drastic effect. So basically what Musica is saying. If a group of 5 out of 60 can turn up and make such a drastic impact that it ruins everyone elses day the site has to have done something wrong whether it be poor site design, simple one man objectives or unbalanced teams. In a well set up site 1/12th of the players tryharding should make little difference. Your site did a good job imo.

Also Richard is a guy that loiters on facebook shitposting and riling up people like you , Also a pretty decent tech.

All fair point bud , if anything I’m just trying to highlight the way a small group can have such a huge effect on a site because there game style is run at 200mile an hr ?! ?

 

[GeorgePlaysAirsoft]

Nobody is stopping 45 year old blokes from being slo- i mean 'sneaky'. But if you get outplayed you get outplayed. In the unlikely event i get told to 'rain it in' id find another place to play - airsoft is a physical activity and most of the time you get out what you put in.

Edit: people give speedsofters a hard time, milsimmers a hard time.. seems the only non-controversial thing to do is just bumble about? Sod that!