Silent small CQB rifle

fingerpuk said:
Ok, so, what about an AAP-01 with the folding stock and a little red dot on it with extended mags?
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Super lightweight, versatile. Accurate, very fast follow up shots. Lots of mag options ( standard, extended, drum mag, shotshell hpa adaptor, mp5 with hpa adaptor).
Very gas efficient.
Easily upgradable with lots of after market parts.
 
Tackle said:
I'm with @Adolf Hamster on this, its cqb, every aspect points to more noise, close proximity, hard surfaces with no soft furnishings to soak up sound, the list goes on & on.
I'd recommend something short, & rather than trying to make it quieter, make it louder, fit it with one of noise enhancing flash riders, make the other team fearful with more noise coming at them & bouncing of the walls, causing more confusion.
& for those times when its quiet around you & you want to go sneaky, switch to your sidearm,any half decent nbb pistol, mk23 or a ruger, with a nice size padded can on the front will be excellent.
Other than that, you'll need deep pockets & a lot of patience chasing this particular holy grail, many have tried, few succeed.
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I would agree, a short and handy carbine like an mp5, arp9, aksu/pp19 or similar would be the go-to. outfit it with a snappy motor and precocking mosfet and not worry about the noise.

I was mainly an outdoor player, but i have played indoor cqb and despite having a well dialled, accurate snappy and quiet hpa rig that shot where i pointed it i'd get absolutely steamrolled by a guy with an nimh'd stock ppsh and the skill to pre-stage a round so i'd lumber right into it when i rounded the corner.

although granted as an accuracy/range game player my usual mo was who needs to duck and weave when you can be where the other guy either can't reach or isn't looking.
 
When he played at BlackStone CQB, the Lad found my Double Bell Knight's Armament Company PDW to be rather handy. It is compact and has a folding stock to make it even more compact; with a Perun Hybrid, it has really good trigger response. It takes standard M4 mags in addition to its own ones.
 
Pistols for the CQB win in my view. Let's face it - using a pistol is great fun, but challenging to be effective with in a woodland environment. In CQB, where they enable you to get much tighter angles around walls, into rooms etc + facilitates aimed shots whilst exposing less of your body, a pistol takes it every time.
 
How about an AAP01 in an MP9 kit? Can add a drum mag for extra firepower. Also has a benefit of using same mags if you carry another one in standard form or a Glock as a back.
 
So, I got the AAP-01. Replaced the long barrel with a mini suppressor, for the looks mainly. Am getting 5cm radius groupings from 15m which I think is super impressive. It’s better than one of my longer barrel M4s!

Thinking it through I realised I was thinking about this wrong and instead of quiet let’s go loud and scary. I think somebody said Ghetto Blaster? Maybe I imagined that.

But, does this kick as much as people say and is it as fun? Because it looks like a ball in the reviews. Thinking the 7” would be fine as I’m a small guy, 5’7” and this would be my CQB weapon only.

Mags aren’t cheap though.

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Colin Allen said:
Unfortunately, there are a few players who think that unnecessarily hurting others makes them hard, or perhaps it does make them hard in a different way.
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Heavy BBs don't hurt more, provided the site chronos on the BB weight used to make sure the joules stay the same. 1J is 1J. People think they hurt more because they're used to "250fps on .2s" style chrono. So someone loading .45s into a gas, CO2, or HPA gun is suddenly shooting very hot due to Joule Creep.

That said it also gives zero advantage at such short ranges so save your pennies tbh.

As far as CQB, go loud. Go very loud. There is a really underrated intimidation factor in having a loud gun people can hear the next room over. I used to run a VFC MP7 in CQB and that sounds carries, haha. I had people just call the hit after taking a corner because they had it in their head that it was somehow scarier and would hurt more.

IME "sneaky beaky" builds don't work outside of highly edited YouTube videos where they only show all the times it worked.
 
I have a couple of CQB guns.

My Cyma MP5K is the best performer by far, super fast trigger response thanks to the optical trigger and brushless motor it's almost telepathic. I mostly run a WE Apache MP5K as its so much fun, the noise the recoil, trigger response is a bit meh but its long forgotten when you get a few shots into the mag.

GBB works so well in CQB as most (if not all) sites are semi only so the low cap mags don't limit you like they do in bigger outdoor skirmishes. If you can stretch to £650 the WE Apache would be an option inc a few mags.
 
I know of a couple of CQB sites that chrono on their .20's, you can't chrono on your own ammo, they ask you to bring an empty mag and fill it using their speed loader. The sites are very up close and personal and are trying to keep the power down, presume players were caught trying to cheat the chrono by claiming lighter weight ammo than they really had in the gun.
 
Baser said:
I know of a couple of CQB sites that chrono on their .20's, you can't chrono on your own ammo, they ask you to bring an empty mag and fill it using their speed loader. The sites are very up close and personal and are trying to keep the power down, presume players were caught trying to cheat the chrono by claiming lighter weight ammo than they really had in the gun.
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Thing with that is that my guns chrono stupid low on .2s, but are exactly 1.1J on .32s. The hop up doesn't halt BBs that light so they end up halfway down the barrel before they're fired.

If I turned them up to be just under limits on .2s they'd be pretty damn hot on the ammo I actually use.

Plus if people are going to lie about their BB weight they are still gonna do that after you chrono them with site issued .2s. Hell they can fill an empty bag of .2s with .45s if they're dedicated enough to being an arsehole. :/
 
fingerpuk said:
Hi.

I’m going to start making the trek further afield to play in CQB specific sites maybe 6 times per year. All of my rifles are not really suitable - DMR, Sniper, MTW 14” etc. And my pistols are LOUD.

And so - fab excuse to start planning. I am looking for a silent loadout. Semi auto rifle, I won’t run a pistol. Small, reliable, and quiet. Can be HPA but I’d prefer not to run a tank as I’ll be up against walls.

AR-9? AEG? GBB? Help a guy out, what should I be looking at?

Silent, small, deadly. 😀
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For small and quiet cqb I’d reccomend a p90 aeg. Mine is super quiet compaired to a lot of the other aegs that people use at my local cqb, but I have put 13-1 and reshimmed it too
 
Lyndication said:
Thing with that is that my guns chrono stupid low on .2s, but are exactly 1.1J on .32s. The hop up doesn't halt BBs that light so they end up halfway down the barrel before they're fired.

If I turned them up to be just under limits on .2s they'd be pretty damn hot on the ammo I actually use.

Plus if people are going to lie about their BB weight they are still gonna do that after you chrono them with site issued .2s. Hell they can fill an empty bag of .2s with .45s if they're dedicated enough to being an arsehole. :/
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Understood and agreed. Sites have a max ammo weight of .25.

Sadly some people are arseholes and remain so. I suppose this is about trying to dissuade people from cheating as best you can.
 
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