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Serving Airsofters; Are We Annoying?

that was an asshole, if the site didn't at the very least kick him off the field for that (or better yet permanently ban him) then i'd be getting my money back and walking.


Sadly the owner knew him and didn't really pursue it, he got a slap on the wrist basically, I didn't know much at the time and really enjoyed the rest of it so let it slide but was always wary of him. a few weekends later he got a more formal telling off for something similar and the ref basically ziptied his cylinder at a set pressure stopping him and told him if those zip ties were broken at any point till the end of the day he'd be off and banned

 
Uuurgh the term “veteran”, how I despise that Americanism.

ive never met an ex servicemen/ex military who used that term. Maybe it’s become an acceptable term now but hearing it still makes me shudder and suspect that the person describing themselves as such may not actually be one. But maybe it’s just me

 
Sadly the owner knew him and didn't really pursue it, he got a slap on the wrist basically, I didn't know much at the time and really enjoyed the rest of it so let it slide but was always wary of him. a few weekends later he got a more formal telling off for something similar and the ref basically ziptied his cylinder at a set pressure stopping him and told him if those zip ties were broken at any point till the end of the day he'd be off and banned


in that case doubly would i be walking and never coming back. ignorance can be excused on the one-off but willful favoritism? nope.

sites should be cable tying hpa regs as a standard part of chrono, but the only time it's ever been done to me was when i voluntarily did it myself to show the marshalls that it was a thing you could do.

 
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The site I attended has several hpa users including some of the Marshall’s. Regulator zip ties and a lower FPS limit to account for joule creep mean nobody gets away with it, including in game chrono when the inevitable complaints about a sub 1j hpa rif hits with a .32 bb arise 

 
Uuurgh the term “veteran”, how I despise that Americanism.

ive never met an ex servicemen/ex military who used that term. Maybe it’s become an acceptable term now but hearing it still makes me shudder and suspect that the person describing themselves as such may not actually be one. But maybe it’s just me


Guys like uncle Albert - Only when they talk about ops and deployment, ask them - what was for scoff on Wednesdays? Where'd you get your hair cut? lol 

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Uuurgh the term “veteran”, how I despise that Americanism.

ive never met an ex servicemen/ex military who used that term. Maybe it’s become an acceptable term now but hearing it still makes me shudder and suspect that the person describing themselves as such may not actually be one. But maybe it’s just me
I get both side of this, I think the majority of ex military call themselves ex military but i do remember the days when there was hardly any recognition of the Armed Forces that there is now so if it helps people then good. As you have alluded to its the Walts that make it an uncomfortable word for people that have actually served imo.  

 
Anyone that has served that I've played with has always been absolutely fine and more often than not an asset to whichever team they're on because they are capable of following instructions and playing the objective.

All I ask from anyone is to not be a dick and that applies across the board. I don't give a shit if or where you served, if you start barking orders from the back you can get to fuck. Take your hits and play the objective or fuck off home.

 
The actual real shit you've done is inversely proportional to likelihood you're gonna chat a big game, ignore hits, get angry, shout at people (on both teams) etc.  I think most people can imagine why.  I say likelihood because I've known one slight exception but he'd just huff a lot to people he knew and quit games sometimes, not actually get real angry at strangers mid round.

I think when you look at pure airsofters vs cadets vs regulars at different levels most folks will have seen this to be a trend.  Airsoft weapons and ordnance are nothing like the real stuff so the tactics/marksmanship mostly don't work and if you lose at airsoft it doesn't matter at all we all go home, most people know that, but chances you'll actually care about the game might be a bit higher if you lack the real experience to know how insignificant a little sunday afternoon bb war truly is in the scheme of things.

As I think about it, I come to the conclusion it's more down to what you think airsoft is.  The worst players overall I've encountered or see online tend to be far too hard in to milsim, maybe did basic training then left the forces or just straight failed basic, have/have had some military mates who they quote all the time, imitate the lingo and/or or got a like on IG from an ex-SF guy one time.  Either way, the more of a fantasy about the game someone builds up in their mind the more unpleasant they are to be around.

 
As I think about it, I come to the conclusion it's more down to what you think airsoft is. 


agreed. i think the biggest part is when you forget the stupidity of what is essentially playing dress-up hide and seek.

it's why i love people who do the unusual/crazy stuff, helps reminds us that sure you might be dressed up in full military grade gear with the most realistic looking pew pew gun on the field but that won't stop you getting hit by some joker dressed as batman from the Adam west days running around with a single action army because he can.

whilst i'm kinda tempted to try the milsim side of things, and i'm game for a bit of mock command structure/team integration or objectives beyond merely inventive ways of dressing up team deathmatch, what puts me off is the feeling that there are too many of the holier-than-thou types who'll sneer because your boots haven't walked a thousand miles in Afghanistan or your holding your m4 wrong etc.

of course i hope that impressions wrong.

 
I think it’s really hard to put a generalisation on this as the military covers a wide range of humanity. I have played with some ex soldiers who have the slickest skills and drills I have ever seen, equally I have played with serving soldiers who were not in infantry/combat roles that couldn’t have been less ‘slick’ if they had been trying to handle their weapon in boxing gloves.

By the same note I have met loads of ex military who are really unassuming easy going guys who are happy to share their skills and experience with anyone in the safe zone or even mid skirmish and really do elevate the sport. By the same note I have met a few nobbers that think they are in charge and start using hand signals or shouting out fire control orders and getting really pissed when people don’t “follow orders” (without ever thinking that the kid they are screaming at probably doesn’t even know what a target indication is let alone how to follow it).

The one thing that I do find slightly amusing with soldiers that have only just started airsoft is that during basic infantry training the difference between cover from view and cover from fire is really drummed in to you and in airsoft the situation is almost totally opposite and that is really counter intuitive to them at first. My favourite example of this was at Dragon Valley in Wales 20 odd years ago when 4 guys I was with (2 serving paras and 2 recent ex paras) did probably the slickest room clearance I had ever seen at the time (I was a TA infantry soldier at the time) and got wasted by a kid with a Glock 18 who had been hiding in a wardrobe. They took it reasonably well, but there was a bit of eye rolling an muttering as they walked back to respawn.

 
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I think it depends on the person, how long they were in, what their trade was, cap badge etc.. From my experience when I told my army mates about air soft they thought it was gay af (infantry) but i met a guy from 3 med who was into it and him and his mates loved it. I remember doing FIBUA in Catterick and we got beasted because a screw found a mag in a kill house only upon inspecting it it turned out to be a airsoft mid cap. He threw it to that guy because he knew he was into it. But yea, trying to do FIBUA with simunition whilst crunching BB's going upstairs isnt fun because man, those things hurt! 
The whole “that’s gay as f**k !” Thing happens quite often with squaddies until they actually spend a day on a game site , I’d say a good 90% will say they’ll be back AND they’ll fetch there mates along at the end of the day .

think the thing for near all of them is only experience they’ve had of an airsoft gun is a £5 springer from the market or when they go on leave to Malia or Falaraki etc and there idea of an airsofter is the giant fat guy in the woodland gear meme ! So the first time they see a ‘real’ airsoft gun in action it certainly opens there eyes for them .

Uuurgh the term “veteran”, how I despise that Americanism.

ive never met an ex servicemen/ex military who used that term. Maybe it’s become an acceptable term now but hearing it still makes me shudder and suspect that the person describing themselves as such may not actually be one. But maybe it’s just me
Yup I absolutely detest the the way the phrase has been denigrated by the Americans and there over use to describe ANY one who put on a uniform . To me a veteran is the old boy you see down the Legion on Remembrance Sunday with a chest full of medals he really did get awarded , who tells you stories of his time in the war , he’s also the one who it was never him being the hero it was always someone else , he’s the one who makes out he did nothing to be thanked for it was always his mates who didn’t make it home that were the heroes ? 

where as on the other side of the pond you get to call your self a ‘veteran’ even if you only did 6mths in the national guard and never even left your home state FFS ! ?

 
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The actual real shit you've done is inversely proportional to likelihood you're gonna chat a big game, ignore hits, get angry, shout at people (on both teams) etc.  I think most people can imagine why.  I say likelihood because I've known one slight exception but he'd just huff a lot to people he knew and quit games sometimes, not actually get real angry at strangers mid round.

I think when you look at pure airsofters vs cadets vs regulars at different levels most folks will have seen this to be a trend.  Airsoft weapons and ordnance are nothing like the real stuff so the tactics/marksmanship mostly don't work and if you lose at airsoft it doesn't matter at all we all go home, most people know that, but chances you'll actually care about the game might be a bit higher if you lack the real experience to know how insignificant a little sunday afternoon bb war truly is in the scheme of things.

As I think about it, I come to the conclusion it's more down to what you think airsoft is.  The worst players overall I've encountered or see online tend to be far too hard in to milsim, maybe did basic training then left the forces or just straight failed basic, have/have had some military mates who they quote all the time, imitate the lingo and/or or got a like on IG from an ex-SF guy one time.  Either way, the more of a fantasy about the game someone builds up in their mind the more unpleasant they are to be around.
Ex SF are on IG? 

 
is it bad that i assume the vast majority of folk who really have been involved in spoopy shenanigans as part of a special forces unit don't talk about it/make it public (presumably with some level of official secrets paperwork in the background)

at least until they retire and are far enough out of the game that the stories they have aren't of immediate political relevance?

 
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