do People Take Milsims Too Seriously ?
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EvilMonkee
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You forgot the weapons inspection then being made to do it all over again cos some chiseller has rust on the front sight...
Cromulon1994
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I always liked the fact that the only complete weapons cleaning kit I think the british army own is always held by the knob who hates his wife doing the inspections.
Besides, you dont send them all in for inspection, you get one gas plug completely spotless and keep sending that one in... works a charm.
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Possibly the only place where i've literally seen 4 seasons occur within 24 hrs.
If you do plan to visit Sunnybridge, pack the cold and wet weather gear and some good boots ?
I never had the chance to attend a Milsim in UK.
I was planning to attend a Milisim event here in UK, but then Covid time arrived ..
I have been doing Milsim or HSA ( Hard Soft Air) for almost 20 years in Italy and some in Europe. I can say that Milsim needs to be more serious and hard if you want to enjoy.
In Italy we had a circuit of events, there were a Milsim almost every weekend . The big difference is the availability of the land, in Italy we huge spaces in public lands with different landscapes from hills,/mountains to seaside, sometimes all together in the same event.
Milsim teams are usually selected people, playing together for long time. Milsim is really a test for your mental strengh.
I have been playing with my some of my mates for almost 20 years. We have been spotters, snipers, operators, cartograph, frogmen. We have been infiltrated with cars, vans, helicopters, boats. We have been held and interrogated, we failed and achieved missions, we got lost after walking for 15 km and made 30km in 24 hours, we slept in the woods, in the sand, in the mud.
I had a lot of fun in the past and looking forward to attend an event here in UK.
Anybody wants to create a Milsim team is welcome. Ready to share my experience.
I was planning to attend a Milisim event here in UK, but then Covid time arrived ..
I have been doing Milsim or HSA ( Hard Soft Air) for almost 20 years in Italy and some in Europe. I can say that Milsim needs to be more serious and hard if you want to enjoy.
In Italy we had a circuit of events, there were a Milsim almost every weekend . The big difference is the availability of the land, in Italy we huge spaces in public lands with different landscapes from hills,/mountains to seaside, sometimes all together in the same event.
Milsim teams are usually selected people, playing together for long time. Milsim is really a test for your mental strengh.
I have been playing with my some of my mates for almost 20 years. We have been spotters, snipers, operators, cartograph, frogmen. We have been infiltrated with cars, vans, helicopters, boats. We have been held and interrogated, we failed and achieved missions, we got lost after walking for 15 km and made 30km in 24 hours, we slept in the woods, in the sand, in the mud.
I had a lot of fun in the past and looking forward to attend an event here in UK.
Anybody wants to create a Milsim team is welcome. Ready to share my experience.
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Cromulon1994
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It's an odd place. Bimble out of a hut in a t shirt in lovely weather, need a smock by the time you've got to the canteen. But the canteen had black pudding. That was hugely exciting when I was unfortunate enough to have to go there for a week.
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I was working only 2miles away yesterday and whilst I was in sunshine looking across to sunnybrisge was like looking at Mordor.
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I personally think it always depends on what type / level of Milsim is being run.
For the Stirling / Tier 1 (If they even still exist) etc. then they are run by that independent company with their set of rules & usually based on neutral sites which they aren't affiliated too. This naturally will attract the invitees only / Milsim Teams / Milsim only players / Geardo's & Wannabe operators. By nature of their expectations of how previous events have been run or by way of how the event organiser has built up the event, then they'll be taking these events very seriously.
It's when local sites run Milsim events which usually attract a bit of a mix, they'll have their regular Milsim attendees / skirmshers wanting to dip their toe into Milsim & usually a bunch of Stirling / Tier 1 individuals wanting to try other venues. This always causes lots of issues IMO. Stirling / Tier 1 mindsets turn up with their "serious expectations" for these events to operate like a Stirling, 9 times out of 10 they don't - Either they don't work with anyone outside their immediate team / Take it upon themselves to become drill sergeants & boss everyone else around, or like what I've seen a few times, get the hump, leave early & take to social media & slag the site off. Difficult because usually these guys have had an event hyped up to be serious, only for it to fall short of their expectations & the aforementioned is usually a by-product of that frustration
There are middle ground Milsims - Would put Legion events somewhere in here, usually well organised, attracts for the majority of regular "local site" milsim players as well as your serious players but seems to provide a good balance.
Me - I sit between the local & middle ground, enjoy the local events as they're just that, local vicinity & at a site I enjoy, however if I'm wanting a bit more of a serious event would venture out to a Legion for a more serious experience. Stirling for me, would rule out as I don't think I have the right mindset for one of these events & prefer it just a little bit more laid back.
For the Stirling / Tier 1 (If they even still exist) etc. then they are run by that independent company with their set of rules & usually based on neutral sites which they aren't affiliated too. This naturally will attract the invitees only / Milsim Teams / Milsim only players / Geardo's & Wannabe operators. By nature of their expectations of how previous events have been run or by way of how the event organiser has built up the event, then they'll be taking these events very seriously.
It's when local sites run Milsim events which usually attract a bit of a mix, they'll have their regular Milsim attendees / skirmshers wanting to dip their toe into Milsim & usually a bunch of Stirling / Tier 1 individuals wanting to try other venues. This always causes lots of issues IMO. Stirling / Tier 1 mindsets turn up with their "serious expectations" for these events to operate like a Stirling, 9 times out of 10 they don't - Either they don't work with anyone outside their immediate team / Take it upon themselves to become drill sergeants & boss everyone else around, or like what I've seen a few times, get the hump, leave early & take to social media & slag the site off. Difficult because usually these guys have had an event hyped up to be serious, only for it to fall short of their expectations & the aforementioned is usually a by-product of that frustration
There are middle ground Milsims - Would put Legion events somewhere in here, usually well organised, attracts for the majority of regular "local site" milsim players as well as your serious players but seems to provide a good balance.
Me - I sit between the local & middle ground, enjoy the local events as they're just that, local vicinity & at a site I enjoy, however if I'm wanting a bit more of a serious event would venture out to a Legion for a more serious experience. Stirling for me, would rule out as I don't think I have the right mindset for one of these events & prefer it just a little bit more laid back.
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Yeah, when it gets a wee bit hardcore it's surprising how many people get texts etc due to "emergencies" ? at home that they need to rush off & attend to lol.
Having done the crap for real, I've never dropped out, even though now age & fitness has made me struggle, I'm too pig headed/stubborn to quit ?.
Having done the crap for real, I've never dropped out, even though now age & fitness has made me struggle, I'm too pig headed/stubborn to quit ?.
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I have only done 2 MILSIMs (thank COVID19!) so far and both were with BRITAC at Copehill Down. The game ran 11am to 11pm then restarted at 0800 on Sunday, so not a major hardcore "out on the ground for 36hrs" but testing enough for your average airsofter and a good intro.
I have played both TaskForce and OpFor, both times having a great experience, no one was an ass and even though my ATACS-FG chest rig wasn't "SF legit" or my AK had fancy rails on it no one cared or commented. Read and understand the rules, prep your kit and come prepared to play hard and immerse yourself in it.
Playing OpFor is fun and you get some great taskings messing with TF guys (foam bricks being thrown by 'civilians' anyone?!) and while it was more flexible there were still things to do like capture TF guys, meet informants and defend positions. The only expectation was to give it a go and not be "that guy".
TBH I have seen enough "serious" guys losing their ? at walk on days for stupid reasons, at the MILSIMs the closest anyone came was the group of guys next to me pushing off before 5pm on the first day even though they had been bragging about using their NODs that night ?
I would look at upcoming events, research past ones (Youtube vids, blog write ups, but beware of agendas / grievances / bunched panties) and give one a go!
Some good info here:
https://atrg.blog/2018/04/07/battle-prep-how-to-be-milsim-ready/
and
https://atrg.blog/2019/08/01/how-to-not-suffer-or-die-at-a-weekender-or-milsim/
I have played both TaskForce and OpFor, both times having a great experience, no one was an ass and even though my ATACS-FG chest rig wasn't "SF legit" or my AK had fancy rails on it no one cared or commented. Read and understand the rules, prep your kit and come prepared to play hard and immerse yourself in it.
Playing OpFor is fun and you get some great taskings messing with TF guys (foam bricks being thrown by 'civilians' anyone?!) and while it was more flexible there were still things to do like capture TF guys, meet informants and defend positions. The only expectation was to give it a go and not be "that guy".
TBH I have seen enough "serious" guys losing their ? at walk on days for stupid reasons, at the MILSIMs the closest anyone came was the group of guys next to me pushing off before 5pm on the first day even though they had been bragging about using their NODs that night ?
I would look at upcoming events, research past ones (Youtube vids, blog write ups, but beware of agendas / grievances / bunched panties) and give one a go!
Some good info here:
https://atrg.blog/2018/04/07/battle-prep-how-to-be-milsim-ready/
and
https://atrg.blog/2019/08/01/how-to-not-suffer-or-die-at-a-weekender-or-milsim/
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Only place I've been to that actually stayed to the forecast was copehill down... having said that it was a scorcher and couldn't sleep because our FOB was a tin bloody barn in a compound, would have been better sleeping in a bush instead of sweating my bollocks off in that building
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I'm a big fan of milsim events because when done right, you get all of the best bits of airsoft and it feels like you're the hero in your own action movie.
But, when it doesn't work, it's a bit rubbish. I've had two rubbish experiences in around 15 years of playing airsoft on and off and both were down to people being rubbish and not taking it seriously enough. I play around 4-6 big games a year with a only a few days spent at skirmishes so almost all of my airsoft is at milsim events.
As for it being too serious... Yes, some people do take things a bit too seriously and get a bit big for their boots. And yes, some people do go a bit nuts on the kit front - I'll certainly declare that I'm a kit whore - but if you're having fun and not being a dick, what's the harm. Having said that, I played for years with very basic kit and managed just fine - you don't need fancy kit to have a good time.
Things I love about MilSims are the teamwork, the tactics and the need to put in a bit of effort. I also like (generally) the other people there who have all opted into the same sort of mindset. I tend to see better hit taking at milsims but that's not universal. You also get to play at some awesome sites which you can't skirmish at.
If anyone's especially bored, I've got a few articles on my blog about this - AirsoftJ2.co.uk - including guides for your first events. This might be seen as taking things too seriously in itself... but, I don't get to too many games so when I do, I want to be switched on and to have as much fun as I can. At the end of the day, we're playing cops and robbers with toy guns and it's supposed to be fun.
https://airsoftj2.co.uk/2020/06/21/kitting-up-for-your-first-milsim/
But, when it doesn't work, it's a bit rubbish. I've had two rubbish experiences in around 15 years of playing airsoft on and off and both were down to people being rubbish and not taking it seriously enough. I play around 4-6 big games a year with a only a few days spent at skirmishes so almost all of my airsoft is at milsim events.
As for it being too serious... Yes, some people do take things a bit too seriously and get a bit big for their boots. And yes, some people do go a bit nuts on the kit front - I'll certainly declare that I'm a kit whore - but if you're having fun and not being a dick, what's the harm. Having said that, I played for years with very basic kit and managed just fine - you don't need fancy kit to have a good time.
Things I love about MilSims are the teamwork, the tactics and the need to put in a bit of effort. I also like (generally) the other people there who have all opted into the same sort of mindset. I tend to see better hit taking at milsims but that's not universal. You also get to play at some awesome sites which you can't skirmish at.
If anyone's especially bored, I've got a few articles on my blog about this - AirsoftJ2.co.uk - including guides for your first events. This might be seen as taking things too seriously in itself... but, I don't get to too many games so when I do, I want to be switched on and to have as much fun as I can. At the end of the day, we're playing cops and robbers with toy guns and it's supposed to be fun.
https://airsoftj2.co.uk/2020/06/21/kitting-up-for-your-first-milsim/
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Lollingsgrad
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Wow! I find that really surprising given the kind of comments you see on Reddit when someone has the wrong kind of webbing on a Russian impression kit for instance. I got the impression they'd be way more anal.
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I pretty much play OPFOR exclusively and its not like that at all. You would think with the Cold War scene it would be a bit anal about kit but it really isn't. I frequently lend people kit and Gunman has kit to loan out, its more about getting people into the scene than scaring them away by being stitch counter wankers.
As a result we have a very vibrant involved community and frequently get 100 players at Cold War events
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Lollingsgrad
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Youre asking if something thats aimed at the more hardcore fans who want to take it seriously, is too serious?If you have to ask that question its probably not for you.
The purpose of my questions was to hopefully get a better perspective from people that have attended Milsim and see their point of view and personal experience. I'm not sure what you would deem as hardcore fan. I have been doing airsoft for a 4/5 years, I just don't own any kit that makes me look like a solider, so before investing, I want to get a better Idea of what to expect.
Have you been to a Milsim, if so how have you found it ?
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I've played COD Barebones if that counts
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join the reserves (get paid to play the odd peew peew exercise)
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play milsim
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chair-soft atm
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join the reserves (get paid to play the odd peew peew exercise)
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play milsim
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chair-soft atm
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I'm too old to understand the first one it means this to me
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second - too old, too lazy, too scared
third - thanks but no thanks
fourth - now we're talking
