Which pistol should I get for starting off

[heroshark]

 TMs gbbs I've had the 226r, 4.3, detonics. Hk45 , uspc are my current 2 and my compact is my favorite of all. Out the new ones I've also had a go with usp, xdm, m&p and fnx and still would pick my uspc. 

interesting some sites near me wouldn't allow that only bolt actions allowed over 350. I think it's so marshals can easily police MED without having to think about pistols being above MED.

Some its a realism thing. I'd just switch to my 350 upper if it were the case but I very rarely travel for woodland play. Mainly stick to cqb sites and my locals where I use it are fine with it.

 

[emilianoksa]

Yeah the E2, I've got an R as well but the E2 is a nice update/upgrade, which is saying something since the original is already a top class skirmisher.

I think the best possible GBB sidearms would be (from TM) the 226E2, M9A1, HK45, M&P, FNX-45 and 4.3/5.1, whichever the gentleman prefers the look of.  Probably the USP as well but I know zero about that one.

Yes, I've got the P226, M9A1 and Hi Capa 5.1. I am very much into pistols and very happy with these guns, and my rifles will be going for sale because I can no longer skirmish.

I have been tempted to try one of the more recent models with  15mm bbu  - the FNX45,  HK45 or HK USP full size - just to see what they are like. And because I like collecting pistols. 

 

[SuckMySock]

Most TMs run just fine on green gas. The FN57 has well documented issues but the rest do just fine.

@OP, get a TM, anyone short of the 1911 due to the aforementioned low gas capacity

Except for the fact that pretty much all TM pistols are rated for duster gas only, which means they will break over time if used with green gas. I don't think it makes sense to spend 150-170 on TM just to spend another 100 on slide and BBU when stock one breaks, might as well get KJW that is compatible with GG (and CO2 to certain extent) and use the rest of money for upgrading it, making it perform better than TM.

 

[Tackle]

Except for the fact that pretty much all TM pistols are rated for duster gas only, which means they will break over time if used with green gas. I don't think it makes sense to spend 150-170 on TM just to spend another 100 on slide and BBU when stock one breaks, might as well get KJW that is compatible with GG (and CO2 to certain extent) and use the rest of money for upgrading it, making it perform better than TM.

I've been running my TM hi-capa's on propane for at least 12 years, without a hiccup, every manufacturer of every item ever known makes recommendations on what to use with its products, doesn't mean said items gonna fail.

 

[SuckMySock]

I've been running my TM hi-capa's on propane for at least 12 years, without a hiccup, every manufacturer of every item ever known makes recommendations on what to use with its products, doesn't mean said items gonna fail.

And mine broke after 2 weeks of running green gas, didn't even have to take it to game.
Slides breaking due to too high pressure gas is well known issue with TM models, you can't deny that fact.

 

[Tackle]

I've been running my TM hi-capa's on propane for at least 12 years, without a hiccup

Slides breaking due to too high pressure gas is well known issue with TM models, you cna't deny that fact.

Lol, apparently, based on my own proven experience, I can ?

 

[SuckMySock]

Lol, apparently, based on my own proven experience, I can ?

Yep, sample size of one is far more reliable than sample size of hundreds. 

 

 

[heroshark]

And mine broke after 2 weeks of running green gas, didn't even have to take it to game.
Slides breaking due to too high pressure gas is well known issue with TM models, you can't deny that fact.

Certain models it is more common but not a regular occurrence. Certain models are rock solid due to the nature of the slide design. Often it's also the case of higher pressure gasses in hotter climates for prolonged periods where slide breakage complaints stem from.  What model was it? 

 

[Musica]

Yep, sample size of one is far more reliable than sample size of hundreds. 

Your both 1 person so best odds you can say is 50% not one vs hundreds. There is a bit of a joke that everybody knows somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody whos uncle had a plastic tm slide crack. 

It does happen slides break but given my limited experience with my plastic slide and my chrono numbers I can't imagine a metal slide working soon.

 

[Asomodai]

I use ASG Ultraair which is a lower powered green gas and a good halfway house between standard green and duster. All year round on both my TM pistols for over two years. No problems so far. 

 

[Cr0-Magnon]

There's never a definitive answer to this type of question. For any airsoft gun I would tell people to hold as many as possible to find out if the ergonomics work for them, then when you have a model in mind, go for a reputable make. Particularly for pistols, you really can't go wrong with TM's. You can use green gas most of the year and then a lower powered (nuprol 1.0) gas for the few days it's baking hot.

 

[Tackle]

Yep, sample size of one is far more reliable than sample size of hundreds. 

 

Not disputing that plastic slides can break, in much the same way that chinesium "metal" pistol parts can crack or wear excessively, but I've owned numerous TM's, none of which have failed in that manner, some I still have & some I sold on, merely because I may not have got on with the aesthetics etc, but mechanically I couldn't fault any of them.

So if I recommend literally anything, guns, motorcycles etc, I do so from experience, not from what I've "heard" on the net, or read in print from a biased paid journo 

 

[emilianoksa]

I use ASG Ultraair which is a lower powered green gas and a good halfway house between standard green and duster. All year round on both my TM pistols for over two years. No problems so far. 

I've heard that the Abbey Predator Ultra is also a lower powered gas than most green gases.

Are ASG Ultrair and Abby Predator Ultra about the same sort of power? Anyone know?

 

[SuckMySock]

Your both 1 person so best odds you can say is 50% not one vs hundreds. There is a bit of a joke that everybody knows somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody whos uncle had a plastic tm slide crack. 

It does happen slides break but given my limited experience with my plastic slide and my chrono numbers I can't imagine a metal slide working soon.

There is this magical website called Google. There you can find many cases of broken Hi capa slides. 
I will admit that it also depends on more factors, i.e. climate of your location. 

Metal slides work great, as long as you get proper aluminium one, not potmetal, and stronger recoil spring + lightweight BBU to compensate for more weight.

 

[Musica]

There is this magical website called Google. There you can find many cases of broken Hi capa slides. 


Metal slides work just fine, as long as you get proper aluminium one, not potmetal, and stronger recoild spring + lightweight BBU to compensate for more weight

I'm sure you can find anyone to agree with your opinion if you look hard enough. I see your google and raise you a  Reddit. I'm not trying to say the slides won't crack or don't crack they do and have and will. It's just not a common as people pretend. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/airsoft/comments/53ol9z/psa_dont_worry_about_using_green_gas_in_stock

 

[M_P]

Except for the fact that pretty much all TM pistols are rated for duster gas only, which means they will break over time if used with green gas. I don't think it makes sense to spend 150-170 on TM just to spend another 100 on slide and BBU when stock one breaks, might as well get KJW that is compatible with GG (and CO2 to certain extent) and use the rest of money for upgrading it, making it perform better than TM.

They're made for weaker gas in accordance with the FPS laws in Japan but they can withstand green just fine for the most part, especially over here in the UK.

You're unlucky that yours broke but that's the exception not the norm. The vast majority will be fine on green gas/propane as evidenced by the literal decades of people doing so.

 

[clumpyedge]

They're made for weaker gas in accordance with the FPS laws in Japan but they can withstand green just fine for the most part, especially over here in the UK.

You're unlucky that yours broke but that's the exception not the norm. The vast majority will be fine on green gas/propane as evidenced by the literal decades of people doing so.

Good factual information ^

I don't know how many times I've had the argument about Marui guns being able to run off green gas/propane with the aggressor adamant that they are shit and will break within a mags worth of ammo when you do. Generally that information comes from people who have either never used a Marui gun, read crap information or have just seen/been the unlucky few that it has happened to.

 

[Asomodai]

20 hours ago, Musica said:



I'm sure you can find anyone to agree with your opinion if you look hard enough. I see your google and raise you a  Reddit. I'm not trying to say the slides won't crack or don't crack they do and have and will. It's just not a common as people pretend. 

https://www.reddit.com/r/airsoft/comments/53ol9z/psa_dont_worry_about_using_green_gas_in_stock

Unless it's a TM FN 5-7! 

 

[sonofsammo]

I've got three TM pistols. I run them all on red gas for most of the year, except when it gets really hot and I'll swap to green.
Never have I had to use duster.
And nothing on/in them has ever broken from gas use.
Tripping over, launching one in the air and it dropping on concrete, however, is a different story...

 

[heroshark]

Friend of mine has on original fixed hop m9. It must be 20 years old. Always ran it on green ,never had to replace a part.