Can Airsoft translate to real firearm skill?

[Stratton Oakmont]

If he's in the para's he doesn't shoot guns for a living, he keeps fit and stamps around a lot. This isn't in anyway disrespectful to para's but I can guarantee that you would not believe how little he actually gets to shoot live rounds 

 

[Musica]

I won't go on

but, but you do go on.

If he's in the para's he doesn't shoot guns for a living, he keeps fit and stamps around a lot. This isn't in anyway disrespectful to para's but I can guarantee that you would not believe how little he actually gets to shoot live rounds 

 

[BibbsOnTour]

If he's in the para's he doesn't shoot guns for a living, he keeps fit and stamps around a lot. This isn't in anyway disrespectful to para's but I can guarantee that you would not believe how little he actually gets to shoot live rounds 

 

[Stratton Oakmont]

Hahaha, you must believe in the magic money tree.

go find an active serving para/marine ask them how much range time they get in a year, then go speak a regular shooting member of a gun club. I know who pulls the trigger more

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

Hahaha, you must believe in the magic money tree.

go find an active serving para/marine ask them how much range time they get in a year, then go speak a regular shooting member of a gun club. I know who pulls the trigger more

Hahaha, you must believe in the magic money tree.

go find an active serving para/marine ask them how much range time they get in a year, then go speak a regular shooting member of a gun club. I know who pulls the trigger more

If you actually read what I wrote the guy is an ex para who now works security stuff abroad.

Yes he was in the paras as so were a few others  in the group including his brother so don't think he would of got away with bullshit. How many rounds he has fired fuck knows as I wasn't there. I know he came out about 7yrs ago and did a fair amount of time in. I was just saying what I can remember him saying from a conversation in the pub after playing about 3yrs ago. As I said I have no reason to question what he said but as I know he wasn't a walt or a bloater I don't see why I would.

 

[Stratton Oakmont]

If you actually read what I wrote the guy is an ex para who now works security stuff abroad.

Yes he was in the paras as so were a few others  in the group including his brother. How many rounds he has fired fuck knows as I wasn't there. I know he came out about 7yrs ago and did a fair amount of time in. I was just saying what I can remember him saying from a conversation in the pub after playing about 3yrs ago. As I said I have no reason to question what he said but as I know he wasn't a walt or a bloater I don't see why I would.

Fair enough ( is that a short enough answer for you  musica? ?)

 

[Musica]

 

[E21A]

@ImTriggerHappy

are they all ex para’s? 

 

[Uncle Pauly]

Interesting thread.

I have some experience with real firearms - shotgun shooting in the UK - but that’s a completely different ball game to airsoft. Or rifle game. Whatever. Not really comparable.

For anyone familiar with martial arts, I think this discussion a bit like asking: “Can katas translate to real fighting skills?” Katas being sequences of attack/defence moves performed in sequence. In that context, sure there is some cross-over and benefit in practicising a kata. It can greatly improve your posture, technique, flow/movement, etc. In the same way, I imagine that skirmishing and weapon drills practised using airsoft would hone some of the skills needed for real firearms use (emphasis on the "some").

That said, during my time in martial arts (20+ years), I've noticed that being great at kata doesn't by default make someone great at sparring/fighting. In fact, some of the best kata guys I've known really suck when it comes to a fight.

So I think we need to define the context here. Are we comparing airsoft target shooting to real steel target shooting? In which case, I think the airsofter's skillset could prove quite useful, sufficient to give them a head start over a total non-shooter. The YouTube links in the first post here prove that.

If we're comparing airsoft skirmishing to real steel combat then hell no! I have no experience of the latter myself, but I imagine that just like comparing kata to sparring there are a lot more variables involved than just 'practicing the drills' (not least the raw mental ability to keep one's s*** together under pressure). And I'd wager that the majority of airsoft shooters / kata experts are likely to crumble if real live rounds / fists & feet were ever thrown at them in anger.
 

 

[E21A]

So I think we need to define the context here. Are we comparing airsoft target shooting to real steel target shooting? In which case, I think the airsofter's skillset could prove quite useful, sufficient to give them a head start over a total non-shooter.

If we're comparing airsoft skirmishing to real steel combat then hell no! I have no experience of the latter myself, but I imagine that just like comparing kata to sparring there are a lot more variables involved than just 'practicing the drills' (not least the raw mental ability to keep one's s*** together under pressure). And I'd wager that the majority of airsoft shooters / kata experts are likely to crumble if real live rounds / fists & feet were ever thrown at them in anger.
 

Hit the nail on the head there I think. As proven by the video, knowing the drills and fundementals well transfers over. 

Think some people here are forgetting that the question posed was does airsoft help with real steel, not the other way round. 

 

[Stratton Oakmont]

Hit the nail on the head there I think. As proven by the video, knowing the drills and fundementals well transfers over. 

Think some people here are forgetting that the question posed was does airsoft help with real steel, not the other way round. 

Yes it does, come on musica time to respond and let that peacock fly

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

@ImTriggerHappy

are they all ex para’s? 

Nah a few were the rest were just spread through different branches and then there was me the token civi/butt of jokes. 

To be fair never overly discussed much as I have little interest in that stuff. 

 

[EvilMonkee]

You sound envious, maybe you need to go on a heresy group black course!!!!!?

Hardly, I am military so it would be a busmans holiday.....

 

[Stratton Oakmont]

Hardly, I am military so it would be a busmans holiday.....

ACC ?

 

[Stratton Oakmont]

Hardly, I am military so it would be a busmans holiday.....

NAAFI staff?

NAAFI staff?

Sorry for those last two, couldn't help it 

still waiting for for musica to ask me the colour of the boat house at Hereford!

 

[Musica]

NAAFI staff?

Sorry for those last two, couldn't help it 

still waiting for for musica to ask me the colour of the boat house at Hereford!

 

[Stratton Oakmont]

Not trolling, but where does being accusedof lying sit on your scale ?

 

[Stratton Oakmont]

As this appears to be getting out of hand,

im trigger happy - I stand by my comment, the second paragraph I referred to is b.s, however just because you were told this does not mean I think you are responsible for this dubious fact hence my reference to the paragraph and your friends comment and not directly at you.

Re Evil monkee, these are old jokes and your lack of response is about all they are worth, touché 

musica, you made this personal, I don't believe I have trolled you but if you can refute any of the comments I have made, good on you I'd love to hear them. 

As evil monkee has said he's serving military I think there is a good chance he can change your mind that his average day isn't full of commando rolls, knife throwing, shooting endless ammunition and shouting breach, breach, breach as he kicks doors down.

sorry if life in the para's isn't Hollywood enough for you

 

[Tommikka]

Going back to the original video....

(I’ve only watched some of it with the opening and the summing up with some in between)

.... from what I have seen it is not about the title “Can Airsoft relate to real firearm skills?” But is more about “Can self teaching, potentially with Airsoft, with off range non firing practice etc give a basis of the skills of shooting?”

So with 3 years of using Airsoft, watching instructional videos, self teaching & practice (whether over those 3 years or less) plus 2 days of professional instruction can make a competent shooter in the chosen discipline

That doesn’t mean skills are directly transferable between playing Airsoft, competition shooting can play Airsoft, combat, range or mercenary shooting.

It’s possible to play our games without honing and practicing, but it’s also possible to practice and train in skills to be better

 

[Tackle]

Jeez, can't believe how this thread has gone, let's not forget the old adage of opinions being like arseholes, we've all got one ?. (But they're not worth falling out over)

me personally, I don't believe airsoft gats prepare anyone for the physical act of live firing, recoil, noise etc, even in the current climate of smaller calibres being the norm.

BUT

airsoft kit makes a great cheap safe training tool, allowing the practice of everything except the loud bang bit, I especially think the ability to clear buildings etc & actually know you've hit, or missed your live targets is invaluable & something that wasn't even conceivable in my youth, which is a shame.

as for flinching when firing live kit, yeah seen plenty of people do it, but you've gotta remember that range use would be a lot different from reacting to contact, when a big bucket of adrenaline gets dumped in your system, which in itself can have a massive effect on individuals, some who may flinch on the range will probably not react to pulling the trigger, & be barely aware of the noise & recoil, whereas others who are previously calm may suffer accuracy problems associated with the adrenaline making it difficult to get their breathing under control.

i tend to think of it like any tradesman who works with his hands, plasterers for example, two guys side by side with equal levels of experience, one may be competent, even good, but his mate may be like Davinci with his float, getting a mirror like finish with ease, live shooters can be a bit the same.

Thankfully, as far as skill at arms goes, the British army pretty much leads the world, & trains half of it at times, those who have or still serve gotta be proud of that ?.

as for range time, the regulars don't get as much as you'd thing, after training & various qualifications, it's often likely that you'll barely live fire until you get the heads up to deploy, & then it's only to dust off the cobwebs & zero weapons, its likely that reserves & even some cadet units will do more live firing, just to keep them interested, such are the budgeting issues these days.