Should the UK leave the EU?

[Sitting Duck]

Have to say I'm impressed, 8 posts in and there hasn't been a slagging match yet!

Well I think we got the perfect game mode for The Mall now.....

IN Vs OUT - which one is best........

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

Well I think we got the perfect game mode for The Mall now.....

IN Vs OUT - which one is best........

Mate if you want to come out at the mall thats up to you but maybe its not the right time for such a personal outpouring.

 

[Sitting Duck]

I'm not coming out at the Mall - that would mean bringing a closet as well as all my other junk

Just thought we could do Boris Vs Cameron

I tend to think of Spidey Vs Goblin asking In or Out

and Merkel being the goblin getting the right hump if UK says no to her EU

 

[Sitting Duck]

Mate if you want to come out at the mall thats up to you but maybe its not the right time for such a personal outpouring.

As long as long as look better than that cow Mandy / Hef I will be happy

Oh Trigger, I nearly forgot - You still want that Pink G&G Femme Fatale ???

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

As long as long as look better than that cow Mandy / Hef I will be happy

But he does own some nice underwear, he keeps posting photos of it

Oh Trigger, I nearly forgot - You still want that Pink G&G Femme Fatale ???

Nothing wrong with the Femme Fatale, its the only G&G to ever stand out.

 

[Sitting Duck]

Well you and Hef can share the G&G tarty gun then

 

[ImTriggerHappy]

Well you and Hef can share the G&G tarty gun then

If you have one bring it.

 

[Samurai]

So if UK is spending £20075000000!!!

or 20 billion quid each year

from say working population paying £1 or more a day aprox or £365 a year or what ever other crap the maths wanna dress it up

Then please enlighten me wtf my money is going if that is not too much to ask.....

I can tell you that. Most of it goes to corrupt politicians' pockets.

I moved here from Hungary. One of the main reasons was exactly this issue. The only income Hungary has now is EU money. After Hungary joined the EU, investors came and built factories like Audi, Suzuki, Mercedes, etc. These factories can make money by using the cheap labor of the country but they take all the profit out of the country and invest that elsewhere. That's what rich countries got from letting poor countries into the EU. There are literally no Hungarian owned businesses there. Everyone who can make profit, takes the money out of the country. To compensate this, rich countries like the UK pay into EU and poor ones get money from it.

And most of that money gets stolen. It is well known that you can not win an EU tender without giving 15-20+% of the money back to the politicians who decide on who wins it. It is also well known that only the friends of the current government can win EU tenders. They build things from the rest of the money that are useless and don't help making profit. Like nice parks, squares, lookout towers, etc.

They steal so much money that they even f*ck that up. They use the cheapest materials and labor so they become unusable in 1-2 years. Or just don't leave enough to build something that actually resembles the plans.

For example this lookout tower was built from £100,000. It is a little over 1 foot high. Not kidding.

There are hundreds of projects like this. My old boss bought an actual palace, rebuilt it, created a wellness centre and laser eye clinic in it without spending a single penny from his own pocket. And it is his own now, the profit it makes is his own money.

All this while poverty and starvation has never been so high in the country as now.

I just read last month that the EU gave money to investigate the corrupt spending of the EU money and they actually stole that too FFS.

So that's where it goes.

BUT.

The rich countries take even more money out of those countries and they invest it in the rich countries economics. So even though a lot is spent there we get to live better here.

 

[Sacarathe]

I can tell you that. Most of it goes to corrupt politicians' pockets.

I moved here from Hungary. One of the main reasons was exactly this issue. The only income Hungary has now is EU money. After Hungary joined the EU, investors came and built factories like Audi, Suzuki, Mercedes, etc. These factories can make money by using the cheap labor of the country but they take all the profit out of the country and invest that elsewhere. That's what rich countries got from letting poor countries into the EU. There are literally no Hungarian owned businesses there. Everyone who can make profit, takes the money out of the country. To compensate this, rich countries like the UK pay into EU and poor ones get money from it.

And most of that money gets stolen. It is well known that you can not win an EU tender without giving 15-20+% of the money back to the politicians who decide on who wins it. It is also well known that only the friends of the current government can win EU tenders. They build things from the rest of the money that are useless and don't help making profit. Like nice parks, squares, lookout towers, etc.

They steal so much money that they even f*ck that up. They use the cheapest materials and labor so they become unusable in 1-2 years. Or just don't leave enough to build something that actually resembles the plans.

For example this lookout tower was built from £100,000. It is a little over 1 foot high. Not kidding.

There are hundreds of projects like this. My old boss bought an actual palace, rebuilt it, created a wellness centre and laser eye clinic in it without spending a single penny from his own pocket. And it is his own now, the profit it makes is his own money.

All this while poverty and starvation has never been so high in the country as now.

I just read last month that the EU gave money to investigate the corrupt spending of the EU money and they actually stole that too FFS.

So that's where it goes.

BUT.

The rich countries take even more money out of those countries and they invest it in the rich countries economics. So even though a lot is spent there we get to live better here.

Sounds like countries are the problem, not europe.

Can't tell which way you're advocating, and you don't have to say, but you have highlighted some counterpoints to [negative opinions on] the UK paying europe a membership fee.

Personally I fall on staying in, but mostly that is because the "get out crowd" shout the loudest, when there is an uneven balance of opinion the loudest voice cannot be trusted.

 

[K@rl]

Stepping aside from the question for a second. How is it possible for the mayor of one of the worlds most culturally divers capital city's wants to jump out of bed with our neighbours? Oh yea because it's boris Johnson. Has nobody down there told him he was voted in as a joke?

 

[Sitting Duck]

Stepping aside from the question for a second. How is it possible for the mayor of one of the worlds most culturally divers capital city's wants to jump out of bed with our neighbours? Oh yea because it's boris Johnson. Has nobody down there told him he was voted in as a joke?

And Labour's Jeremy Corbyn wasn't ???

ALL politicians are jokes or clowns out for themselves

 

[Samurai]

Can't tell which way you're advocating

To be honest, I don't know it either.

But to make my point: even though on surface UK pays a lot into EU and poor countries get money the end result is that UK gets more back and poor countries loose more than they get. Simply because the richer countries created the EU for this very reason. So economically it is a benefit for the UK. No wonder all the big companies say the UK must stay in the EU.

Also purely economically the EU migrants are a benefit to the UK.

http://s3.mirror.co.uk/mirror/ampp3d/articles/the-big-one.jpg

I do believe people who move to an other country should integrate culturally. The ones who are willing to do that should be encouraged to come the others discouraged.

 

[Sitting Duck]

I do believe people who move to an other country should integrate culturally. The ones who are willing to do that should be encouraged to come the others discouraged.

There was an ol' saying of playing the White Man which looney lefties will say is racist

but in fact it isn't it is just a simple thing of fitting in and accepting

Australia's point system and their stance on immigration is perfectly acceptable to most

but it "might" offend some if we took a similar stance - jeez

You sir understand this, a pity some of the UK citizens still do not

By all means freedom of movement - with checks and measures is common sense

Yes the UK are lazy bastids, heck if we come out of EU then we won't be able to carrying on blaming them for crap

Then if things still go pear shape - the the UK will have to look at ourselves heaven forbid and get off our ar$es for once

Yes crap jobs and crap pay don't sound that appealling but you gotta start and climb up somewhere on the ladder and nearly always at bottom

Companies and bosses don't help keep taking the pi$$, but end of the day if the UK wants to stop moaning for a bit

get off its ar$e and WORK to make the UK better and stop moaning and blaming EU, immigration and f*ck knows what else

Easier said than done I know but having the mindset is often half the battle

yes millions could be spent on our own people and health service

but at same time - get off our ar$es a bit more rather than expect welfare to pick up bill

unemployed ? moan about nhs service - why not shut up and and try to get a job porter/cleaner or something and feel proud to work for UK NHS

ohhh f*ck that min wage crap - they might say

Jeeez - but that is sometimes what UK citizens are like which f*cks me right off

Yes it is not as simple as that but c'mon you kind of get the idea why the world sees UK as lazy bastids

So in my mind this vote is not just about EU but should be a sign of UK actually thinking of how THEY can perhaps help to make UK better for themselves

no doubt it will be yet another missed opportunity we later all sit around just moaning about - oh well

 

[Jambo88]

I will vote to leave simply because if the UK does leave it means indyref2 I don't know why they are having a vote. They should just ask London what they want and fuck the rest of us.

 

[Zak Da Mack]

I'm still undecided, but I'll most likely be staying in as I don't trust our current government to do whatever they damn well please. They have lied and stabbed us in the back already and they will have more freedom to do so if we leave.

 

[Lozart]

However - if the parties that be would like to fully explain just wtf the UK actually gets - I mean factually gets please enlighten me

I mean if I got a receipt/bill in a shop I got a full breakdown of where n what was spent exactly....

So if UK is spending £20075000000!!!

or 20 billion quid each year

from say working population paying £1 or more a day aprox or £365 a year or what ever other crap the maths wanna dress it up

Then please enlighten me wtf my money is going if that is not too much to ask.....

It's not hard to find out what we pay and for what, our actual net cost of membership is nowhere near £20bn either. Have a read of this: http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/2015/03/eu-explainer-easily-bored-cost-uk

 

[EvilMonkee]

Evn £8bn is enough per year to plug the hole in the NHS finances...

 

[Lozart]

Evn £8bn is enough per year to plug the hole in the NHS finances...

We spend more on foreign aid than we do on net EU contributions.

 

[Lozart]

If anyone wants to see the numbers (it's a bit dull but there you go) http://www.ukpublicspending.co.uk/year_spending_2015UKbn_15bc2n_3435658

Also worth noting that while non-EU migrants have cost us money, EU migrants have brought in something in the region of £20bn since around 2004. On the whole immigration has cost the tax payer LESS than the UK population has cost PER CAPITA than benefits payments to UK residents have. So the next time someone tells you that "immigrants" are the be all and end all of the countries woes, it's just not true.

 

[Sitting Duck]

My bad - my maths were out......

I did say originally the cost was more like 33 million not 55 million a day after rebates

but somewhere I messed up the maths bit when calculating the true yearly cost

eg: £33 million x 365 = 12 Billion

and not £55 million x 365 = 20 billion - OOOPS see I do admit when I'm wrong

I did the maths WRONG - I admit that, I was trying to base the original post on balanced facts

instead of scarey UKIP quotes and leave out other factors - eg me say true daily cost is £33million

The 12 Billion per year does seem to be correct though when calculated with the £33 million per day

Though to be fair I did say the previous fee - rebates was £24 million a day and meant a 30% increase to £33 million a day after rebates

well actually that is 37% over previous year - go back further it KEEPS RISING A STAGGERING AMOUNT EACH YEAR

However - based upon those sharp increases that keep continuing the next bill is very likely going to be getting near that £20 billion after rebates

(gotta be £18 billion per year after rebates)

The figures of what immigrants or EU members brings into the country and pays taxes to benefit UK blah blah blah.......

coz they do the lower end jobs blah blah blah...........

I'm not bothered about - why ???

I said if lazy joe UK public got off its ar$e a bit rather than - pahhh wouldn't get out of bed for that I'll stay on welfare.....

Then it would be UK citizens paying more taxes instead - it doesn't matter those jobs will get filled by somebody regardless.

Yes I made a mistake in my maths by calculating the £55m figure rather than the £33m figure

And yes I was shocked to see how much the real UK debt actually is a few days earlier

The EU yearly membership is sweet FA in comparison

But for all the experts facts n figures I stated my main reason is to vote out and see for myself rather than wonder what if.....

Everybody needs to read up more and more - well at least a bit more and not take everything as pure gospel

NOBODY - really knows what will happen, crunch as many figures as you like (hopefully check them first - doohh)

Sad fact is we have the politicians - hmmm not exactly the most truthful & honest people with high degrees of integrity

telling us the British public - who lets be honest what do we really really know unless google gives us a snippet of results

So we got the corrupt & the stupid all trying to shout higher and finally the stupids have the power to vote

God help us - vote how you feel, soz but I'm not gonna live on this thread, well I'm gonna try not to

ffs - nothing that I say should change anybody's mind - if it did then you really are stupid

I come on here for stupid toy guns so I'm gonna try and stay out of this if possible

£12billion not £20billion - my bad, there said it about 3 times I screwed up (sorry)

(thankfully I'm not in charge of the treasury)