Deactivated Ammunition

There's a whole different philosophy at work when comparing NATO 5.56 & 7.62 x 51 to Russian 5.45 & 7.62 x 39

The NATO rounds have a higher muzzle velocity and, even though the 7.62mm obviously delivers a higher impact force (mass x velocity) they are nevertheless both designed to cause massive cavitation injury to live targets - a wound created by air expanding explosively having entered the body at supersonic speed behind the bullet, as well as powerful hydrostatic shock, which is essentially the same thing as the blast wave of an explosive. This is why an SLR round could go right through somebody's house wall in Northern Ireland, hit them in the left arm and still cause death by ruptured heart muscle.

The Russian rounds are not only slower but also unstable in flight - the rear of the bullet travels along the trajectory, but the front rotates around the imaginary line the rear follows, as well as the rotation caused by the barrel rifling. When they impact, they create much less cavitation but bounce off any bone and ricochet around inside the body even more than the Kennedy Magic Bullet. A hit in the leg could easily end up putting fragments in the brain, having left several small wound tracts throughout the body as spinning pieces of copper jacket head off in all directions and one big tunnel through anything the body has in the way of the tumbling lead core.

 
pretty sure i was told by a regular army person (along time ago), that you didnt have to actually hit some one with a SLR round, if the round came with in 12" or so, the shock wave would knock them down :blink: :blink:

then again they switched to 5.56, as it was not designed to kill, it was designed to wound, there by not only taking the target out of the fight, possibly his mate and a medic too (to look after the original target), and drain medical resources

 
pretty sure i was told by a regular army person (along time ago), that you didnt have to actually hit some one with a SLR round, if the round came with in 12" or so, the shock wave would knock them down :blink: :blink:
No, it's still only 7.62, you'd know it had gone past but it certainly wouldn't knock anyone over.

 
I remember Mythbusters doing something similar to that, they tried to break glass with the shockwave from a .50 cal and nothing happened at all, didn't even move the glass, let alone break it.

 
indeed, the whole 'you don't even need to hit a man with .50cal to kill him' is bullshit... 20mm maybe, 30mm almost certainly but 12.7mm no.

 
30mm is just totally over kill lol.

The A10 Warthog doesn't need missiles, or rockets, or bombs.

 
30mm is just totally over kill lol.

The A10 Warthog doesn't need missiles, or rockets, or bombs.

It kinda does though. When the rounds are the size of a milk bottle you can't carry that much ammo...

 
Or fire for that long, as the recoil can stall the plane

 
The Navy used to call it "wind of ball" when cannon shot killed people without touching them. I dunno what size or weight a projectile needs to be, but you'd have to imagine that it can be caused at relatively low muzzle velocities, compared to modern firearms.

 
Or fire for that long, as the recoil can stall the plane
Yeah.....that's not actually true. The worst the recoil can do in terms of flight speed is slow it down a couple of knots. The "stalling the plane" thing came from the problem with the amount of gun exhaust getting into the intakes of the engine. As gun exhaust is oxygen free it would cause a flame out in the engines, a problem that has since been fixed with a change to said engines in the form of a self sustaining combustion chamber. The gun is also mounted off centre to counteract the effect of the gun firing at the 9 o'clock position that would have otherwise yawed the aircraft.

The casings for the 30mm rounds carried for the GAU8 are also made of aluminium alloy to save weight which of course gives an increase in the amount you can carry. It is also linkless for the same reason. The one piece of specialised field equipment the aircraft must have to operate though is the machine that loads the ammo.

 
Yeah.....that's not actually true. The worst the recoil can do in terms of flight speed is slow it down a couple of knots. The "stalling the plane" thing came from the problem with the amount of gun exhaust getting into the intakes of the engine. As gun exhaust is oxygen free it would cause a flame out in the engines, a problem that has since been fixed with a change to said engines in the form of a self sustaining combustion chamber. The gun is also mounted off centre to counteract the effect of the gun firing at the 9 o'clock position that would have otherwise yawed the aircraft.

The casings for the 30mm rounds carried for the GAU8 are also made of aluminium alloy to save weight which of course gives an increase in the amount you can carry. It is also linkless for the same reason. The one piece of specialised field equipment the aircraft must have to operate though is the machine that loads the ammo.
i stand corrected, seems there is alot of myths about the A10's main gun

did they change the round casings as along time ago (20 odd years), when i was a kid, i used to go to cowden bombing range (no longer a bombing range, decommissioned site), and watch the attacking runs etc. i got chatting with some of the guard tower observers, and they gave me a casing that they said came from a A10's main gun, and its brass.

 
i stand corrected, seems there is alot of myths about the A10's main gun

did they change the round casings as along time ago (20 odd years), when i was a kid, i used to go to cowden bombing range (no longer a bombing range, decommissioned site), and watch the attacking runs etc. i got chatting with some of the guard tower observers, and they gave me a casing that they said came from a A10's main gun, and its brass.
Good question. There is a target practice round which may well be what you have a casing for as they are made down to a budget to keep costs down. All the "proper" stuff is Aluminium cased.

From the manufacturers:

Ammunition Technical Data

PGU-13 HEI PGU-14 API PGU-15 TP Length (max): 290mm 290mm 290mm Cartridge weight: 681g 694g 681g Muzzle velocity (nominal): 1020 m/s 1013 m/s 1021 m/s Projectile weight: 378g 395g 378g Dispersion (typical): 0.6mr x 0.6mr 0.6mr x 0.6mr 0.6mr x 0.6mr Fuze: M505 Cartridge case: Aluminum Aluminum Aluminum
Data sheet here: http://www.atk.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/AS-GAU-8A.pdf

 
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