501st Airsoft, Tunbridge Wells

Fair enough @Colin Allen the only question I wouldn't mind knowing, as I did fancy popping along, is whether this is a safety issue and as such I should avoid it.

Happy for this to be via PM rather than on an open forum if you would prefer.

 
To be fair to everyone here, if its a safety issue, shite gameplay, or even a massive amount of nepotism, all of which are common occurrences, then surely it's in the public interest to know, any one of us could blow the green fees, as well as a considerable amount on fuel & much valued time travelling to a site just to be thoroughly disappointed, & then times that by maybe 30+ players who make the same mistake ?.

Unless it's something really horrific, not even gonna mention the possibilities ?, then most info is a fair game.

Also it should be considered that sites aren't always aware of failings unless players speak up, they can't fix what they don't know about ?.

IMHO ?

 
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I'm putting £10 on "Licking Mustard seleected as site ambassador and representative."

 
The chap has now posted a review:

“Now after Messaging 501st this very review and got nothing back except a thumbs up I have decided to offer this up as an experience of our day there.

We went to your site on 29/09/2024
Firstly trying to find the place was a nightmare we drove past what was a carpark twice and just happened to take the chance and stop in there, then found a wet piece of paper that said 501st this way. After walking aimlessly through some undergrowth I stumbled across someone who said where the 'safe zone' was.
On getting there I met a friend who was just walking away as someone threw a Mk5 in said safe zone. When he said something he was told to shut up then chants of fight, fight, with a marshal giggling about it.
Anyway we set up in the safe zone, if that’s what you could call it as people were walking around with loaded mags in their guns, to this end my wife refused to remove her eye pro at all, my 15 year old son was very dubious to do it so removed his dye but replaced them with some eye pro whilst in the safe zone.
Now I had to ask twice to be chronoed, which was lack luster at best. My GBB coming in a bit hot on 0.32s, showing 286FPS said I'd adjust it but was told it was OK!
Now the brief was quite good so kudos there.
Now the first game, we were blues attacking. The reds just would not take their hits. I told one marshal (wearing a full-face mask), who seemed to care more about being on his phone that actually even responding to me. So, I spoke to another marshal (guy who gave the brief) that at least acknowledged what I had said. But it didn’t change anything. I repeatedly saw players taking easily 20 to 30 shots before they even bothered to call hits. Plus, the field layout was ridiculous. No cover whatsoever at our end trying to assault a cover laden side, no one could advance.
We did speak to another marshal about lack of marshals (young guy with a lightsaber) he said it would be better with less players, really there were only about 20 there! I have been a marshal and run game days with 130 players with 5 marshal no problems.
Anyway, it got so bad that I just gave up and went back to the safe zone during the first game. My wife went out at least and tried the 2nd game with was basically the first just with a different name, but she came back soon enough, we packed up and decided to go. I have to say it is without a doubt the worst day or game of airsoft I have played. Even at £45 for the 3 of us it wasn’t worth it, 3 hour round trip and tunnel fees without the cost of diesel thrown it, what a waste.
Including my wife, son and myself I had arranged for 8 of us to come for the day, and quite frankly I was left embarrassed that I had got some of our airsoft group to try the site out due to what I have mentioned. 2 never even stayed after the grenade incident the others left the same time we did; it was that bad.
There needs to be some drastic improvements to both organisation and more importantly safety as there will soon be a bad injury. I as a player and more importantly as a parent will not be coming back and cannot recommend this site at all in its current state.

I only gave one star as I couldn't give any lower.”

 
@Colin Allen please do not base the site off of that review. I was there on that exact game day and have receipts to prove. Some people had struggled to understand the idea of it being a new site on a budget with ongoing development. Moreover, the frequent vandalism to the site had resulted in the safe zone being trashed the night before the game day. It was explained to me that the site had been vandalised before and the Marshalls were on site the day before game day to build up the play area. However, on their arrival at 5 o’clock that Sunday morning, they had realised the safe zone had been vandalised again and rushed to fix what they could before people started to arrive on site. I don’t actually know where that review got the loaded mags in guns story from as to my recollection nobody had magazines in their guns at any point in the day. The chrono station was set up and run well and I went through it no issue at all. The main issue of that review was the thunderflash remark. I was a witness to the thunderflash going off having being metres from it when it was safely thrown away from the netting out into the play area before going off. Upon my second visit to this site yesterday, the Chrono station and panneling to wall off the chrome to prevent accidents has been heavily developed upon. Overall it’s a great site that takes people on a journey of an attack/ defence style of airsoft with strategy developing throughout gameplay, instead of the run and gun that is seen most days.

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The question I usually ask myself when there are two conflicting reports is about who benefits from being economical with the truth.  
 

The person who wrote the review and whose identical email to the site was met with a thumbs up rather than an explanation or a rebuttal had nothing to gain from his original complaint to the site owner.
 

On the other hand, a fan of the site might feel inclined to give a version of events that favours the site.

Also note that this was not just one person; two of the group left after the pyro incident and the other six left early.  

 
@Colin Allen please do not base the site off of that review. I was there on that exact game day and have receipts to prove. Some people had struggled to understand the idea of it being a new site on a budget with ongoing development. Moreover, the frequent vandalism to the site had resulted in the safe zone being trashed the night before the game day. It was explained to me that the site had been vandalised before and the Marshalls were on site the day before game day to build up the play area. However, on their arrival at 5 o’clock that Sunday morning, they had realised the safe zone had been vandalised again and rushed to fix what they could before people started to arrive on site. I don’t actually know where that review got the loaded mags in guns story from as to my recollection nobody had magazines in their guns at any point in the day. The chrono station was set up and run well and I went through it no issue at all. The main issue of that review was the thunderflash remark. I was a witness to the thunderflash going off having being metres from it when it was safely thrown away from the netting out into the play area before going off. Upon my second visit to this site yesterday, the Chrono station and panneling to wall off the chrome to prevent accidents has been heavily developed upon. Overall it’s a great site that takes people on a journey of an attack/ defence style of airsoft with strategy developing throughout gameplay, instead of the run and gun that is seen most days.

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Welcome Joe, everyone's entitled to an opinion,  that's what makes this place great, Colin shared somebody elses review, someone he knows personally so he has no reason to disbelieve what he was told.

He & I had discussed this a little a week ago & he was reluctant to disclose too much info until the site had been given the opportunity to respond.

I'm guessing they chose not to, or their response was inadequate, hence why this is now in the public domain.

I'm gonna make an assumption that the reviewer, & his family, aren't first time players, & that the issues they've highlighted,  particularly safety,  aren't what they've seen elsewhere, which would explain why they felt the need to share their gameday experience. 

Thing is, I've played some atrocious sites, issues at every level from safety, to marshaling, to the game scenarios that are set in place, I've come away horrified, I've spoken to marshals & owners, & on a rare occasion shared my thoughts online, but the latter is usually after I've gone back & given them a second, or even third chance.

And throughout this, I'll hear players extolling the virtues of the site, either on the gamedays I attended, or just in general, & the only conclusion I can come to in order to explain the disparity between my opinion & theirs, is that they don't know any better, they haven't experienced a top quality well run site, so to them, it's literally the adrenaline fueled dogs bollocks. 

BUT

Any failings are on the site & it's staff, that includes how players behave, anybody can cheat or act like a cnut, but if that behaviour is not nipped in the bud, it speaks volumes about those supposedly in charge.

& if word gets around it gets worse, decent players stay away, but the cheats & arsehole arrive in droves, before you know it, it's akin to twa Croydon, & nobody wants that lol?

PS. I will be attending the site personally at some point, it's not far from me, & if I experience anything similar, I will be very vocal about it?

 
Welcome Joe, everyone's entitled to an opinion,  that's what makes this place great, Colin shared somebody elses review, someone he knows personally so he has no reason to disbelieve what he was told.

He & I had discussed this a little a week ago & he was reluctant to disclose too much info until the site had been given the opportunity to respond.

I'm guessing they chose not to, or their response was inadequate, hence why this is now in the public domain.

I'm gonna make an assumption that the reviewer, & his family, aren't first time players, & that the issues they've highlighted,  particularly safety,  aren't what they've seen elsewhere, which would explain why they felt the need to share their gameday experience. 

Thing is, I've played some atrocious sites, issues at every level from safety, to marshaling, to the game scenarios that are set in place, I've come away horrified, I've spoken to marshals & owners, & on a rare occasion shared my thoughts online, but the latter is usually after I've gone back & given them a second, or even third chance.

And throughout this, I'll hear players extolling the virtues of the site, either on the gamedays I attended, or just in general, & the only conclusion I can come to in order to explain the disparity between my opinion & theirs, is that they don't know any better, they haven't experienced a top quality well run site, so to them, it's literally the adrenaline fueled dogs bollocks. 

BUT

Any failings are on the site & it's staff, that includes how players behave, anybody can cheat or act like a cnut, but if that behaviour is not nipped in the bud, it speaks volumes about those supposedly in charge.

& if word gets around it gets worse, decent players stay away, but the cheats & arsehole arrive in droves, before you know it, it's akin to twa Croydon, & nobody wants that lol?

PS. I will be attending the site personally at some point, it's not far from me, & if I experience anything similar, I will be very vocal about it?
Let me know when you do mate and I'll swing by, it's literally a few miles away from me and I'd like to have a nose 

Why did you have to mention that cesspit?  I had managed to forget about it until I read that!
Don't ??

 
"Vandalism ate my homework"

Is this site insured?

Is Connor Collins the responsible person?

Is he a sole trader and operating an e-commerce without providing a business address?

Surely the postman cannot deliver a letter before claim to a woodland at TN3 9AQ?

Does he even own the woodland or have permission to use it?

 
⁸Umm. Freshly signed up and their only post is to claim a negative review posted by a known and respected forum member is bullshit. I think I'll take what they post with a massive pinch of salt. I think this should be enough View attachment 137953

While vandalism of a site is never good it's no excuse for a poorly run site, hell my go to site has suffered from vandalism repeatedly (even worse is that it appears to be done by another nearby site) and they're still able to run a decent gameday.

 
Any failings are on the site & it's staff, that includes how players behave, anybody can cheat or act like a cnut, but if that behaviour is not nipped in the bud, it speaks volumes about those supposedly in charge.
This. To me a good measure of how well a site is run is how they act when things go wrong. The fact that the staff did fuck all to address any of the problems they were told about, and a lack of any real response to the review by the owners make me think once they've gotten your money they stop giving a shit

 
⁸Umm. Freshly signed up and their only post is to claim a negative review posted by a known and respected forum member is bullshit. I think I'll take what they post with a massive pinch of salt. I think this should be enough View attachment 137953

While vandalism of a site is never good it's no excuse for a poorly run site, hell my go to site has suffered from vandalism repeatedly (even worse is that it appears to be done by another nearby site) and they're still able to run a decent gameday.
You mean the same guy who also left a 5 star review straight after the 1 star review was posted on Google? 

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I notice @501st Airsoft was on here last night, but chose not to comment ?.

?

 
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There’s a double-edged sword to everything. If you want to have your opinions feel free. But if you don’t take into account both sides of the picture. For instance, Luke Wilson shouting at younger players and rentals for silly mistakes until the point he left site feel free to decide who’s in the wrong. It View attachment 137969was horrific to see Luke treating the younger generation of the sport in the way he did with multiple witnesses both Marshall’s and players witnessing him screaming at kids.View attachment 137968View attachment 137967

 
Hi guys. Well as I have been mentioned in this topic, I have felt compelled to reply.

As I have replied to Ollies post, not sure where he got his facts from about me being a famous site reviewer,as this is the first review of a site I have played at that i have left. That in its self should show you his angle. As it was mentioned, I don't know where they got shouting a little kids from. The only little kids there were 3 younguns with their dad. I'm sure if I had shouted at them, their dad would have had words with me, but of course people are free to believe who they want. 

My main concern is the safety aspect, and I can assure you there were mags in guns in the safe zone. My wife would not remove her eye pro, but even after this she still wanted to give it another go. As it has been mentioned there is no point in making stuff up, especially when I have no affiliation to this or any other site. I want there to be more sites not less, so we get more choice.

I agree with a post above about maybe giving it another go, but to be honest with the cost and how long it takes to get there and back, I'd rather try a different site, than go back and give them more of our money, especially after all they could be bothered to do was give me a thumbs up. 

Make of the review what you will and yes, maybe take it with a pinch of salt if you wish and give it a try. I just hope if you do, you have a better SAFER experience than we did. 

 
There’s a double-edged sword to everything. If you want to have your opinions feel free. But if you don’t take into account both sides of the picture. For instance, Luke Wilson shouting at younger players and rentals for silly mistakes until the point he left site feel free to decide who’s in the wrong. It View attachment 137969was horrific to see Luke treating the younger generation of the sport in the way he did with multiple witnesses both Marshall’s and players witnessing him screaming at kids.View attachment 137968View attachment 137967
Link to thread please, not just screenshots 

 
Ahhh the age old, I made a motar tube that's unsafe but don't worry, it's on private land, we had permission and our marshals are first aid trained and it was fully tested and safe guarded 

I get it, we've all done stupid shit, but don't post it on Facebook, jesus christ can you imagine if someone had unfortunately got injured and that made the news? 

 
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