Dream Project you've always wanted to finish/do but never done/started?

[Russe11]

Accuracy matters in CQB. If you can hit them when only a small part of them is visible....

 

[Samurai]

Just check out how many real world "CQB" units use guns without stock.

If you want to get the gun on the target the quickest way possible, you will need practice. If you raise the gun to your eyes a few thousand times the exact same way, you will learn that to do it the most efficient and quickest way. Without a stock there is no fixed pivot point for the gun and the gun ends up in different position every time. In CQB most of the time you and your opponent see eachother the exact same moment. You will need to put the red dot on him faster than he aims at you and you need to hit him with the first shot. A lot of practice and a stock helps you do that.

 

[Stormhall]

Just check out how many real world "CQB" units use guns without stock.

If you want to get the gun on the target the quickest way possible, you will need practice. If you raise the gun to your eyes a few thousand times the exact same way, you will learn that to do it the most efficient and quickest way. Without a stock there is no fixed pivot point for the gun and the gun ends up in different position every time. In CQB most of the time you and your opponent see eachother the exact same moment. You will need to put the red dot on him faster than he aims at you and you need to hit him with the first shot. A lot of practice and a stock helps you do that.

But we are talking about Airsoft here. Where most guns including mine have absolutely no recoil and the fact that my life isn't exactly in danger. This means I can start playing Quake style except replace jumping with super cool slide maneuvers! And like I said when it comes to guns without stocks. Aiming goes out the window. If I wanted to aim I would keep the bloody stock on.

 

[Samurai]

I see. Maybe you should check out paintball. It's closer to this playstyle you describe, than airsoft. They are even training in this style, and have proper techniques and equipment to do it. It's quite possible you would find more fun in a paintball game.

... except replace jumping ...

A few years ago a guy did try jumping around a corner against me - like you do in these pc games. Well, except that in the games you jump quite high, but of course in reality you don't. That was hilarious.

 

[Stormhall]

I see. Maybe you should check out paintball. It's closer to this playstyle you describe, than airsoft. They are even training in this style, and have proper techniques and equipment to do it. It's quite possible you would find more fun in a paintball game.

Paintball is way too expensive and Airsoft is the only sport where I can look cool. I do like the tactical aspect of Airsoft but only in bigger areas in smaller tighter maps I feel like I need to be a lot faster and sneakier instead of a head on frontline role that I take in the bigger games. This is why I'm still kinda waiting to get a Real Sword AK before I take the stock off my M4. It'll act as more of a side arm in the big battles.

 

[SuicidalBarrelRoll]

It'll act as more of a side arm in the big battles.

Forgiven. Do a high RPS mega short one they rock

 

[Airsoft_Mr B]

Folding stocks were not designed for CQC, they're for easier storage and vehicle crews. Using a rifle without a stock just feels wrong. I lost the screws for my MP5K PDW stock

If you're using it as a secondary then fair enough I guess, but I would personally rather just put a stubby stock on. Overall length is short enough but you've got the option to use it when you need to at least.

I also need to buy a riser and an optic. I was thinking it would be fine in close quarters to not use sights but it really helps if you do, it's just using full face you can't comfortably bring your weapon up on to target. It's not natural or quick at all because you have to really extend your rifle out to use the irons and it's very sh*t.

I should buy one of the large half face masks that cover your ears so I can use my ESS ICE glasses instead, and I am ordering a cheap £10 MICH 2000 replica from TaiwanGun.

£45 for a NEXTORCH T6L R5 Hunting Set is pretty tempting too, as a tac light would be great down at Halo Mill, but I can't afford anything yet.

 

[TacMaster]

This is why I'm still kinda waiting to get a Real Sword AK before I take the stock off my M4. It'll act as more of a side arm in the big battles.

If you're serious about this as a playstyle, look at the G&G TR16 CRW. Machine pistol M4 for the win! I'm certain you could make a holster to strap it to your thigh as well. I saw a thigh holster for a full size MP5J once, and ^this is waaay smaller than an MP5J.

 

[SuicidalBarrelRoll]

Machine pistol M4 for the win!

Whack a zombat flash hider on a custom cut down 1"ris...What's not to love? Have two on one point bungee slings, have them secured to a vest on quick release buckles, hit it when ready and spray away! If someone did that and could use them effectively, props and creds to them.

 

[TacMaster]

Surely the M4 would knock into you when running though, and get ridiculously annoying- like a 1KG necklace?

I'm thinking velcro'd cordura loops like in a gun case attached to the side of a rigid corder panel sewn into the thigh of some combat trousers.

 

[Stormhall]

If you're serious about this as a playstyle, look at the G&G TR16 CRW. Machine pistol M4 for the win! I'm certain you could make a holster to strap it to your thigh as well. I saw a thigh holster for a full size MP5J once, and ^this is waaay smaller than an MP5J.

Money wise that costs a bit but now I don't have to modify my current rifle and I'll have an AEG sidearm that lasts longer than those crappy AEPs.

I did not even know G&G made that!

 

[SuicidalBarrelRoll]

Surely the M4 would knock into you when running though, and get ridiculously annoying- like a 1KG necklace?

Potentially...but if you wore it slack and buckled to your shoulder, it'd be so much faster and would make you look like a badass ;p

 

[Ian_Gere]

I've carried an AEG (AKS-74U w/ stock folded) on a 1pt bungee sling (over left shoulder so it hung forward of under right shoulder, not quite on front of chest) as a sniper secondary - what a massive pain in the hole! Yeah, heavier than what you're talking about, but it wasn't the weight that was the issue, it was the way it found a way to get in the way of pretty much anything. If you're not holding it, a gun needs either a 2 / 3 point sling or a holster of some sort, even if that is just a loop that the muzzle goes through and the weight is on a bungee sling.

You should talk to geoffreym about making an M4 into a sidearm though.

 

[SuicidalBarrelRoll]

I've carried an AEG (AKS-74U w/ stock folded) on a 1pt bungee sling (over left shoulder so it hung forward of under right shoulder, not quite on front of chest) as a sniper secondary - what a massive pain in the hole! Yeah, heavier than what you're talking about, but it wasn't the weight that was the issue, it was the way it found a way to get in the way of pretty much anything. If you're not holding it, a gun needs either a 2 / 3 point sling or a holster of some sort, even if that is just a loop that the muzzle goes through and the weight is on a bungee sling.

You should talk to geoffreym about making an M4 into a sidearm though.

Yeah but the "holster" would be the quick release buckle on your vest/side.

 

[straffham]

I know, but all the money!!!!

I was thinking about building it from scratch, maybe using the body for an M16A2 build aswell, kind of interchangable for CQB and Woodland sort of dealio.

The JG M733 is basically identical to the one in your pic (apart from the accessories). I picked mine up a few years back for £90 new. Its a straight clone of the TM one, though like the TM it has a plastic body. Its since been converted to an early CAR-15 carbine with a G&P receiver and flash hider and an even shorter (cut down) 10" barrel.

You may be able to get a cheap one secondhand?

 

[Dan_W]

The JG M733 is basically identical to the one in your pic (apart from the accessories). I picked mine up a few years back for £90 new. Its a straight clone of the TM one, though like the TM it has a plastic body. Its since been converted to an early CAR-15 carbine with a G&P receiver and flash hider and an even shorter (cut down) 10" barrel.

You may be able to get a cheap one secondhand?

I would love one for £90, but a metal body one would be nicer Some of those 'bb gun' websites has a Golden Eagle M733, which I think is just the company name of metal JG guns, Unfortunately there aren't many reviews and for £40 more I could get a G&P one.

 

[Zak Da Mack]

I would have been lost without mine when I went to the school. The M4 is a pain in the arse when pilling through a doorway

 

[TacMaster]

@Zach M4 + pistol = this.

 

[straffham]

I would love one for £90, but a metal body one would be nicer Some of those 'bb gun' websites has a Golden Eagle M733, which I think is just the company name of metal JG guns, Unfortunately there aren't many reviews and for £40 more I could get a G&P one.

Just checked the box mine came in, it is marked up as Golden Eagle but was retailed as JG from the website I got it from (Airsoft World a few years ago) though as said it was a plastic M16A2 receiver on mine as per your pic. If they do a metal body one then yeah it would be worth more, but not if its getting towards G&P prices. All the parts on the one I have dropped straight into a G&P M16vn receiver no problem. I did have to reduce the power by fitting a 90 spring though.

 

[Airsoft_Mr B]

A G&G Firehawk would be good too.