Macks airsoft dreamers of the week thread

[GenuineGerman]

Opinions please. This gun sold with no mention that it had been two-tone, and has been re-painted black, by an amateur apparently.

Should the seller have mentioned it in the ad?
And after receipt, should the seller effectively have said

”You didn’t ask if it was originally two-tone, so I didn’t tell you, it’s your problem” ?

Full disclosure, I  neither sold nor bought this gun

That attitude might work when you buy a pos car from a dodgy car salesperson but for what this is I would feel like I was lied to as a buyer. It’s fairly easy to tell if a gun has been repainted especially if it’s done poorly and should be mentioned regardless 

as mentioned by other the buyer should return and there money back 

 

[Tackle]

Opinions please. This gun sold with no mention that it had been two-tone, and has been re-painted black, by an amateur apparently.

Should the seller have mentioned it in the ad?
And after receipt, should the seller effectively have said

”You didn’t ask if it was originally two-tone, so I didn’t tell you, it’s your problem” ?

Full disclosure, I  neither sold nor bought this gun

Also, given what we now know, the cynical side of me wonders whether "don't come to my house because of covid" is actually code for "don't come to my house 'cos you'll see how shit it is" ?

 

[EDcase]

Opinions please. This gun sold with no mention that it had been two-tone, and has been re-painted black, by an amateur apparently.

Should the seller have mentioned it in the ad?
And after receipt, should the seller effectively have said

”You didn’t ask if it was originally two-tone, so I didn’t tell you, it’s your problem” ?...

Definitely a dick seller and if this is the case then its strong grounds for him to be banned from classifieds.

 

[Asomodai]

£750, Comes with leaky mags, or you could buy brand new from Gunfire for 650 quid inc VAT.

DSR-1 Sniper Rifle Replica - Black-Silver - shop Gunfire

 

[Lozart]

Opinions please. This gun sold with no mention that it had been two-tone, and has been re-painted black, by an amateur apparently.

Should the seller have mentioned it in the ad?
And after receipt, should the seller effectively have said

”You didn’t ask if it was originally two-tone, so I didn’t tell you, it’s your problem” ?

Full disclosure, I  neither sold nor bought this gun

Honestly, it took me all of 30 secs looking at the pics to work out it had been repainted (no fire select/safety lever markings for a kick off). In an ideal world I agree that it should have been mentioned in the listing that this was previously a two tone, caveat emptor still applies.

£750, Comes with leaky mags, or you could buy brand new from Gunfire for 650 quid inc VAT.

DSR-1 Sniper Rifle Replica - Black-Silver - shop Gunfire

You mean £662 plus VAT, shipping and duty.

 

[Cannonfodder]

Definitely a dick seller and if this is the case then he should be banned from classifieds

Agreed. Considering the seller has only posted adverts we wouldn't be missing much

 

[Cr0-Magnon]

Opinions please. This gun sold with no mention that it had been two-tone, and has been re-painted black, by an amateur apparently.

Should the seller have mentioned it in the ad?
And after receipt, should the seller effectively have said

”You didn’t ask if it was originally two-tone, so I didn’t tell you, it’s your problem” ?

Full disclosure, I  neither sold nor bought this gun

Surely long-story short, any aftermarket painting should be categorically stated?

 

[Speedbird_666]

caveat emptor still applies.

But does it though?

The seller (rightly) listed other flaws with the gun (i.e. cracked magazine shrouds) - but neglected to mention a big show-stopper for a lot of people. That, IMO, is misrepresentation.

Hopefully the buyer will raise a dispute (assuming they used PayPal). I would apoplectic with rage if this had happened to me.

Surely long-story short, any aftermarket painting should be categorically stated?

This x1000. Absolutely spot on. It should be a rule for using the classifieds.

 

[Albiscuit]

Even for a cheap gun not mentioning the shitty paint job / ex two tone is a dick move but maybe something you could get over, for something considered a grail gun and costing that much it certainly is deceitful. 

I find it even worse that for a game based on honesty people would be so snide when it comes to things like this  

 

[AlphaBear]

It will be Interesting to see how PayPal handles this case. Either it’s a full refund excluding postage and believe me that can be difficult to get back or both parties may agree to a mutual understanding. Nevertheless this episode should be a reminder to everyone to ask all the fundamental questions when buying used gear. Sadly the current COVID situation does not help matters as you can’t try before you buy anymore. 

 

[DRay]

There is another question unanswered here though; who the FUCK buys a Vector brand new, BEFORE they have got a UKARA number? 
 

I think most people (certainly on this forum where a lot of sense is talked) spend a few games as a rental, realise it is great and then go and buy something for £100-150 (maybe push that up to £250 if you have a disposable income and want to get extras). But the guy selling this decided his intro to airsoft would be some absolute top of the line bit of kit and was willing to let someone paint it pink so that he could have it before he even tried the sport out? 
 

Never mind the underhand nature of the sale, would you trust someone who was that stupid?? 

 

[Cr0-Magnon]

There is another question unanswered here though; who the FUCK buys a Vector brand new, BEFORE they have got a UKARA number? 
 

I think most people (certainly on this forum where a lot of sense is talked) spend a few games as a rental, realise it is great and then go and buy something for £100-150 (maybe push that up to £250 if you have a disposable income and want to get extras). But the guy selling this decided his intro to airsoft would be some absolute top of the line bit of kit and was willing to let someone paint it pink so that he could have it before he even tried the sport out? 
 

Never mind the underhand nature of the sale, would you trust someone who was that stupid?? 

This is the GBBR version, so yes arguably even less suitable for a beginner but each to their own. Also you can't say for sure that they'd never tried airsoft, bearing in mind these have been discontinued for some time and under 18's can't obtain UKARA, regardless of how long or how many times they've played. Not really for us to say whether that in itself is stupid or not.

 

[DrAlexanderTobacco]

There is another question unanswered here though; who the FUCK buys a Vector brand new, BEFORE they have got a UKARA number?

Here's a question - why do you think this is the case?

Nothing in the seller's advert implies they're new to Airsoft. E2: Apologies @DRayI misread your post!

E: I don't think the seller did *much* wrong for what it's worth. I think it was a dick move to sell a former two-tone, for sure. I think making it a site rule to state whether it's been resprayed would be a good move.

Equally though, I think "caveat emptor", "sold as seen" etc. holds true here. To me, admittedly after I've been told it's been painted over, there are clear signs the RIF's been sprayed.

I would have expected the seller to do a little more due dilligence before buying - I'd imagine they were blinded by the scarcity of the RIF and wanting to grab it before someone else did.

 

[DRay]

This is the GBBR version, so yes arguably even less suitable for a beginner but each to their own. Also you can't say for sure that they'd never tried airsoft, bearing in mind these have been discontinued for some time and under 18's can't obtain UKARA, regardless of how long or how many times they've played. Not really for us to say whether that in itself is stupid or not.

I don’t know many under 18s but having been one a couple of decades ago I couldn’t have afforded a vector! 

 

[DrAlexanderTobacco]

When KWA Vectors first released, they were available for - I want to say - at least a year before Kriss cancelled their partnership with KWA. So the two-tone aspect would've been done when it was a normal gun, on sale for a normal price I reckon.

 

[AlphaBear]

The nature of this sale it seems stems around the fact it was a perceived bargain. We all want a bargain let’s face it... The rarity of the item adds to it. For some it’s a grail piece for others it’s a weird looking GBBR and would never bat an eye lid at it. Regardless of what it is the buyer should always do due diligence and ask questions. Assume nothing! 

 

[Lozart]

But does it though?

The seller (rightly) listed other flaws with the gun (i.e. cracked magazine shrouds) - but neglected to mention a big show-stopper for a lot of people. That, IMO, is misrepresentation.

Hopefully the buyer will raise a dispute (assuming they used PayPal). I would apoplectic with rage if this had happened to me.

Caveat Emptor absolutely applies, it's a second hand sale so the buyer HAS to be aware that there may be some flaws not immediately visible in the advert. Is it a dick move to not say it's got a gopping paintjob? Probably, yes. Does it interfere with the function of the gun? No. As such it's fit for purpose and the paintjob only affects the potential sale value (which is probably why it didn't get mentioned but it may just be that the seller didn't think it was so bad as to be an issue).

I do agree though that repainted two tones should be declared as such, but in this case as I said earlier, you can clearly see it's been repainted at some point from the advert pictures.

 

[AlphaBear]

Out of curiosity, As an airsoft replica is a gas Vector fun to use? I’ve actually never seen anyone use one ever! And if they have been discontinued what about after market parts etc... time to YouTube this and see what that fuss is all about

 

[GenuineGerman]

I would say if the seller has been shy around the truth with painting what else has he not told the buyer?

Firstly is a used KWA Vector GBBR worth that money, for me yes - its discontinued so you won't find one in new condition unless you pay big bucks i reckon.

So you are paying £800 quid for a used item the seller has listed some issues but missed of something that could potentially make a difference to the price. What else has the seller not told the buyer?

I reckon the majority of people buy of here on good faith and 99% of the time it works out as we are all honest however if you were the person who had bought this in goof faith only to discover it had been repainted poorly who you not question to overall honesty of the seller.

I must however say as @AlphaBearsays do you due diligence if its too good to be true it probably is.  

 

[Asomodai]

There is another question unanswered here though; who the FUCK buys a Vector brand new, BEFORE they have got a UKARA number? 
 

I think most people (certainly on this forum where a lot of sense is talked) spend a few games as a rental, realise it is great and then go and buy something for £100-150 (maybe push that up to £250 if you have a disposable income and want to get extras). But the guy selling this decided his intro to airsoft would be some absolute top of the line bit of kit and was willing to let someone paint it pink so that he could have it before he even tried the sport out? 
 

Never mind the underhand nature of the sale, would you trust someone who was that stupid?? 

I saw a brand new airsofter get an Ares L1A1 with wood stock two toned...