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THE TM MWS thread

Hello everyone. You have a great community here. First of all sorry for my English, I am not a native speaker.

Been lurking for a long time and made a decision to try the MWS GBB but need to check some thing with you guys first.

1. As I 100% only do milsim events and me and my team use bundeswehr loadouts, what is the best bag for the buck way to get TM MWS to 416D or 416a5 configurations without those 1500$ kits? Is TM gona release their own version of HK416 maybe?

2. My local FPS limits are 400. Best way to only take longer inner barrel with green gas? 

3. Are there any red dot sights replicas like eotech XPS that don't break under gbb recoil? Would like to avoid real steel prices.

4. What EU airsoft shop has best MWS offers and parts?

Thank you for the help.

 
Boky said:
Hello everyone. You have a great community here. First of all sorry for my English, I am not a native speaker.

Been lurking for a long time and made a decision to try the MWS GBB but need to check some thing with you guys first.

1. As I 100% only do milsim events and me and my team use bundeswehr loadouts, what is the best bag for the buck way to get TM MWS to 416D or 416a5 configurations without those 1500$ kits? Is TM gona release their own version of HK416 maybe?

2. My local FPS limits are 400. Best way to only take longer inner barrel with green gas? 

3. Are there any red dot sights replicas like eotech XPS that don't break under gbb recoil? Would like to avoid real steel prices.

4. What EU airsoft shop has best MWS offers and parts?

Thank you for the help.
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I’m not sure there’s any other way to get a 416 loadout without one of those expensive body kits ? TM just release their MWS MK18 so I don’t imagine they’re going to suddenly come out with a 416 anytime soon but I guess you could always keep your fingers crossed? 

A longer inner barrel or a tighter inner barrel will increase your FPS slightly but I think it’s difficult to predict. Your best and cheapest bet is probably to just get a g&p adjustable valve or a ra-tech npas and use that to increase your FPS on the fly to exactly where you want it with your desired bb weight. Just make sure to stay far away from the Angrygun bolt or “mpas” as they suck ass imo. 

Only eotech clone I’ve know of that withstands gbbr recoil is the Evolution Gear one, but you’ll need to order it from Asia for sure. There may be other options but I’m not sure. For the price you’ll end up paying, it’s better to just pick up a vortex crossfire red dot that will last you forever ?  

Good aftermarket parts are kind of hard to come by in EU to be honest, you’ll find some here and there but no one stocks as many parts as Rainbow8, jkarmy or dentrinity to be honest. 

 
Hi all,

I'm trying to buy one of the sixg buns, but getting no response through the email link on the site. Can anyone point me in the right direction please?

Thanks

 
n00b1982 said:
Hi all,

I'm trying to buy one of the sixg buns, but getting no response through the email link on the site. Can anyone point me in the right direction please?

Thanks
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He can take a while to respond, but once he does it is sent out quick. Worth the wait.

 
@AlphaBear

could you tell me whether the brass rollers of the G&P bolt alters the sound or not? 
 

There are some videos of recent G&P rifles that produces a ridiculously satisfying sound. A crisp, high pitch metallic hiss. I hope it’s only the bolt end and not some dark magic I have missed or can’t acquire...

 
Hypokondrikern said:
@AlphaBear

could you tell me whether the brass rollers of the G&P bolt alters the sound or not? 
 

There are some videos of recent G&P rifles that produces a ridiculously satisfying sound. A crisp, high pitch metallic hiss. I hope it’s only the bolt end and not some dark magic I have missed or can’t acquire...
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Not tried one of those G&P rollers but I wouldn't put much stock in audio from mobile phone videos, having posted and re-watched the vids I posted up there ? there is a world of difference between human ears and phone mics

 
SSPKali said:
Not tried one of those G&P rollers but I wouldn't put much stock in audio from mobile phone videos, having posted and re-watched the vids I posted up there ? there is a world of difference between human ears and phone mics
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I’m with you there. But if I could just make mine sound half as good as this one: 


I’d melt every time I push the trigger. 
 

( minus the radio and workshop sounds ) 

 
I had the same wish when I saw that video first time. I haven’t seen any other that has the same sound though so I bet it’s the mic juju.

 
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I should stick my G&P bolt in and see if I can do the same JuJu too? He’s probably lubed the bolt too I hazard to guess?

 
AlphaBear said:
I should stick my G&P bolt in and see if I can do the same JuJu too? He’s probably lubed the bolt too I hazard to guess?
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I lubed the crap out of mine and it still does not sound like that but it’s stock TM one.

 
The stock TM bolt is pretty loud as a matter of fact. Also I reckon that chap has a G&P buffer which actually dampens the sound too and of course allows the lighter bolt to move back and forth faster and with less clang. 


Personally speaking, that’s just looks all wrong ?

 
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jsmithski said:
I had the same wish when I saw that video first time. I haven’t seen any other that has the same sound though so I bet it’s the mic juju.
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This has more or less the same sound. Different rifle but G&P parts. ( same camera though haha. I.e same juju ) 
 



haha, I have seen his videos a few times. The shooting stance always puzzled me. But back to topic. I don’t think the buffer is needed as the standard is plastic and doesn’t give off any particular sound ( I have tried both aluminum and plastic buffers without hearing any major difference ). The Sixgun buffer ring reduced the spring sound for me but the metallic chiming from the bolt rollers in the videos provided is what I’d like to get. I guess I’ll have to take the leap and order one + maybe drill some flute holes in the buffer tube like the mysterious G&P version... 

 
Wild Weasel said:
Just ordered one of these for nicer looks and a spot of extra winter performance.

https://atrg.blog/2020/10/19/accessory-review-hao-geissele-rebcg-ecoline-for-marui-zet-mws-gbbr/
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Which colour you going for? I was thinking getting one too but will wait for your feedback. It’s gonna be superior though we all know that. I assume you just drop in the Marui compression parts Nozzle etc and voila? 
 

I have a spare G&P nozzle set which I could chuck into one just to see how it performs. I’d probably get the tan colour myself just to differentiate the HAO bolt from the marui or the other spare G&P bolt ??‍♂️

 
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AlphaBear said:
Which colour you going for? I was thinking getting one too but will wait for your feedback. It’s gonna be superior though we all know that. I assume you just drop in the Marui compression parts Nozzle etc and voila? 
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I have bought the geissele marked DDE colour and I'm planning on dropping my ag nozzle with oe piston rubber + mws ra tech npas in from the donor bolt and make up a summer/spare bolt incase of failure or warm weather.  Eventually is like to pair it to g&p roller and aluminium buffer set.

I keep an accurate record of FPS/joules consistency in a spreadsheet (attached) so hopefully I'll be able to report back something useful.

Please keep/modify/change the spreadsheet and if anyone notices any glaring errors or omissions please let me know.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lfmKJtQm-qGtE-EJLlXXixfkon5uT6nDdt7BJOOOb1o/edit?usp=drivesdk

 
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Wild Weasel said:
I have bought the geissele marked DDE colour and I'm planning on dropping my ag nozzle with oe piston rubber + mws ra tech npas in from the donor bolt and make up a summer/spare bolt incase of failure or warm weather.  Eventually is like to pair it to g&p roller and aluminium buffer set.

I keep an accurate record of FPS/joules consistency in a spreadsheet (attached) so hopefully I'll be able to report back something useful.

Please keep/modify/change the spreadsheet and if anyone notices any glaring errors or omissions please let me know.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lfmKJtQm-qGtE-EJLlXXixfkon5uT6nDdt7BJOOOb1o/edit?usp=drivesdk
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Doesn’t the AG nozzle already have an adjustable valve? So why do you need the RA tech one? 
 

Also regarding the XL, what happened on the 7th Oct to give you the higher FPS readings? Also more interesting is the variance difference in all tests. I assume that’s the diff between a full mag and gas empty mag? 

 
AlphaBear said:
Doesn’t the AG nozzle already have an adjustable valve? So why do you need the RA tech one? 
 

Also regarding the XL, what happened on the 7th Oct to give you the higher FPS readings? Also more interesting is the variance difference in all tests. I assume that’s the diff between a full mag and gas empty mag? 
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The MPA 'valve' was sacked due to coming loose despite threadlock etc and I read on here at the time Ra tech was the way to go and it has been great and fits well in the ag nozzle which was swapped from the original after minor damage when the nozzle return spring finally snapped (5000 RDS I reckon).

As for the lower readings on the spread sheet that is because 1. I was shooting 0.30's and 2. I was playing some very close cqb trying out a possible new site and I wanted lower joules.

Skip to the 25th October I've wound it open again for field play and winter. Blue is propane, yellow is a test of Mapp gas (rothenberger).

(Edit - the diff' is the difference between max and min FPS over 10 shots fired)

As for the consistency initially I thought it was due to magazine age and type, mags 1,2 and 3 I believe are the older type 1 magazines 4,5 and 6 type 2's, all are shot in the same conditions at the same time on propane filled to the top (liquid gas spurting) with the same batch of bb's. all are green gas modified (cut 10mm past the valve) and I believe the greater variance is easily made up for with the larger capacity of gas which doesn't appear to affect accuracy at all giving me approximately 50mm groups. The mags are weighed prior to bb's to ensure their full, I believe if they were less full i,d get better consistency.

What would be cool if anyone interested next time they do a test they add their results to the XL sheet for comparison which could be a good benchmark for certain setups?

Cheers

P.s. I've changed the link to allow anyone to comment or edit - go wild folks, suggest copying file tabs for your own results, test conditions at the bottom.

P.P.S same rules as this forum exist - be nice people - constructive comments only please. Admins hope you ok with this? If not will upload bare one for copying?

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1lfmKJtQm-qGtE-EJLlXXixfkon5uT6nDdt7BJOOOb1o/edit?usp=drivesdk

 
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