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UK Airsoft Federation

I suspect they would struggle to provide legal representation in court if requested.


Quite possibly. No one in UKAPU is a lawyer and being in the committee is completely voluntary. But I would suggest that UKAPU; considering they have decent legal texts, are probably better suited to dish out advice on a voluntary basis than the UK Airsoft Federation. UKAF appear to be more about what they want to be, but have little about how. 

United Kingdom Airsoft Federation, https://ukairsoftfederation.co.uk/index.html

Thoughts on this one, by it's own admission, it's new. I for one hope that it (and this thread) don't turn into a shit show!


Ian Lawrence was one of the guys behind the defunct ATB. He has said multiple times that he want's UKAF to be Governing Body of Airsoft. 

 
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Can you link to, or back up that?
It's not public information unless the person who had the problem gives permission for it to be posted (When the issue has concluded). 

 
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What specifically is the legal help? It says it only deals with border force seized goods and issues with police, so what exactly do you do to help? Do you submit notice of claim for the person and follow up? And what do you do with the police exactly?

 
What specifically is the legal help? It says it only deals with border force seized goods and issues with police, so what exactly do you do to help? Do you submit notice of claim for the person and follow up? And what do you do with the police exactly?


The help is directly to the person, I couldn't say if any contact was made directly to a lawyer, BF or to the police from UKAPU. 

I think an offer has been made to contact a solicitor directly but it was not taken up by the person who's solicitor it was. 

 
1. Represent and Promote - already tons of airsoft content on social media and youtube

2. Regulate and Enhance - sort of perpetuated by field owners (game rules and so on) and perhaps insurance
3. Organise and Facilitate - anyone can organise any event




I might argue that 3, leads to a shocking inconsistency of 2, and if you want kickingmustangs that's how you get kickingmustangs acting as 1.

A central body to publish a standard ruleset, meaning you can rock up on site and know exactly what the rules are, how they will be enforced and what to expect if they're broken (ie not just nothing as is so often the case) is badly needed.

A central body to provide training, on things like the dark and mysterious art of knowing what the numbers on a chronograph mean is needed, because that information being easily and freely available evidently isn't enough.

A central body to amplify, or denounce, the pr that puts our hobby in the spotlight as required. Do we really want non airsofters impressions of the sport being "airsoft cheetar destroyed by 500fps sniper shot to the balls [instant karma] [super painful] [he regretted it]" or "airsoft fights and flipouts compilation #2756". At best we get people showing up for their first gameday thinking that's an acceptable way to behave, at worst it gives the fun police all the ammo they could ever want.

We need to remember that for many people in the uk guns are bad, and unless you're a soldier, an actor or a videogame sprite you have no business even touching a gun shaped object let alone actually be allowed to roam free with one.

Of course it's pie in the sky thinking to some extent, but then i suppose it might be as alien as the early days of other sports where regulation didn't seem necessary.

 
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Sometimes it's better to keep going unnoticed and maintain the status quo.

Honestly don't want attention from the wrong people (politicians), who if they became aware would likely campaign to ban our already often misunderstood hobby.

 
 He has said multiple times that he want's UKAF to be Governing Body of Airsoft.
That right there is enough reason for me not to support this.

Having just read their charter and code of practice, it is clear that UKAF is intended to be a trade organisation
Yet the website clearly says

"Members will include Airsoft Sites, Retail, warehousing and players."

I can't think of any benefit from or reason why players would want to  join a trade organisation 

 
That right there is enough reason for me not to support this.

Yet the website clearly says

"Members will include Airsoft Sites, Retail, warehousing and players."

I can't think of any benefit from or reason why players would want to  join a trade organisation 
It would appear that they really have not thought it through.

 
No they haven't. It looks to me like the only thinking done was how to become a big name in the hobby without the effort of setting up a goontube channel 

 
Is having standards a good thing, yes

But the thing is, airsoft retailers and field owners are not a regulated profession by any stature, the best anyone can do is come up with something similar to an ISO 9001 so any business can voluntarily adopt it, so they get an excuse to display a mostly decorative badge on their website

You can't enforce it

 
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