Take the hint , it ain’t selling !

[Cr0-Magnon]

What you need to do, my friend, is use a mail forwarding service. Pack up something you own, post it out to a forwarding service with the final delivery address set as your own. Boom, all the thrill of a delivery without adding new stuff to the collect. Cheaper than a new rif too!

Ahh don't, I'm getting flashbacks of Valentines Day when I was a teenager!

 

[Groot]

Op, I don't entirely agree with you. Something is worth, what someone else is willing to pay for it. 

Yes. If it's a commodity, then you are at the whim of the market.

If it is more niche and you are willing to wait. You will more often than not, get what you want for it. 

People are just seen used to getting stuff below what it is truly worth, because most sellers seem rather keen to sell something as fast as possible. 

When I sell something, it is because I have no need for it. Not because I need the money.
So I set the price that I want and I wait. Unless I am mistaken about its value, it will sell. 

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[Druid799]

Op, I don't entirely agree with you. Something is worth, what someone else is willing to pay for it. 

I do agree with this comment 100% , what ever your selling is worth what someone is willing to pay for it . BUT I think you’ve missed the point of my post , my point is there are items for sale that have been up for sale for mths or even years that NO ONE is ever going to buy at the asking price but the sellers blindly refuse to drop their asking price at all , that’s what my post is about . ? 

 

[Rogerborg]

Something is worth, what someone else is willing to pay for it. 

OK.

People are just seen used to getting stuff below what it is truly worth

OK.

But which is it?

 

[Tommikka]

Both @Grootand @Druid799are right

But I don’t agree on ‘being used to buying at below what it’s worth’

‘Worth’ is a widely changing variable - what is X worth for Fred to buy, and what is C worth for Bob to sell?

Somewhere amongst that is ‘market value’

The market value of X could be less than Bob is willing to sell at. So the supply in the market drops (or Bob lists at his price and refuses to sell below)

The market value of X could be more than Fred is willing to pay, so the demand drops

Supply and demand fluctuate all of the time.

Certain RIF designs are everywhere —- M4s etc, and other RIF designs less so.

The materials, build quality and internals could be identical but two ‘identical’ RIFs in different body styles will have different desirabilities

There will be seasonal variations - in winter it’s cold, wet & miserable and you have to buy aunt Enid a Christmas present - slippers would do, but if you throw in a case of Babysham too she’ll slip a few extra notes into your card.  Sell last years RIF before Christmas and you could get back more via Enid to buy this years shiney RIF

So the pre-Xmas market gets flooded and prices drop, followed by Boxing Day shopping and prices begin to rise.  Wait until your birthday in Spring and you get more cash just in time to get back to playing - another potential rise in the market when the sellers see how desperate the fair weather players are in the wanted ads as they now have no guns.

 

[Enid_Puceflange]

Keep me out of it

 

[Adolf Hamster]

But I don’t agree on ‘being used to buying at below what it’s worth’

‘Worth’ is a widely changing variable - what is X worth for Fred to buy, and what is C worth for Bob to sell?

i think the intention of the statement was that if you have something more niche, you could either wait for a buyer who understands its value and wants it, or keep dropping the price to widen the market to sell it quicker.

if you take the latter route you would be selling it for less than it's market value, but it's a price paid for the benefit of a quicker sale.

i was kinda surprised when i was selling the 42 for example that it sold relatively quickly, i'd been mentally preparing myself for a long wait as it's a relatively niche item and anyone who "just wants an lmg" would be buying the myriad m249's and m60's that were cheaper.

 

[Rogerborg]

I reckon there's relatively little in airsoft that can have a "market worth" put on it.  Volumes are too low, and there are so many variants and differences in condition.

Markets work when buyers are selecting from a range of comparable sellers, and going with the lowest price (or best value service).

Not so much when we're saying "Yeah, it would cost £X new, if anyone had it, but they don't". or "Something a bit like that, but not really, might have sold for £Y, three months ago, maybe."

 

[AirsoftNewb]

You have to meat the market in order to sell. Its a risk to buy a gun with a clapped out gear box. I think the guns in classifieds are well over priced. I will buy new when I get my licence.

 

[Rogerborg]

I think the guns in classifieds are well over priced

Generally, yes, and it's pure cringe to see someone list the full amount that they've spent on retail parts for their custom Frankengun, and then knock off maybe £20.

There are a few bargains to be had down at the lower end, but you need to get in really quickly, and I agree that they're all a gamble.

 

[Druid799]

 I will buy new when I get my licence.

FFS It’s NOT a poxy licence ! It’s simply a registration on a nationally recognised database of site affiliated players , if you can prove by any other method your a regular player you don’t even need a UKARA ‘licence’ ! ?‍

 

[Cr0-Magnon]

Of course people are free to ask for whatever they like. The dreamers thread is more of a guide to buyers and sellers, while having a bit of fun with it a long the way.

I can't speak for everyone but whenever I price the stuff I'm selling, I of course go in a certain amount under new retail, however with me there is always the question of "do I definitely want to sell this?" 

As such if I were to list it at a bargain price 1) You're still going to get the Wheeler Dealer wannabe asking for X amount off 2) If it sells within in a couple of hours, you're going to wonder if you could have gotten more.

So yeah if it's not selling and I'm still fairly certain I want to move it on, I'll just drop the price by £10-15 here and there. I've never been pulling my hair out, desperate to sell. From a buyers perspective, all I can say is the only negative feedback I've ever received on here, was when I decided not to sell to someone ?

 

[Tommikka]

FFS It’s NOT a poxy licence ! It’s simply a registration on a nationally recognised database of site affiliated players , if you can prove by any other method your a regular player you don’t even need a UKARA ‘licence’ ! ?‍

It turns out that all the newbies coming on here talking about getting their licence are right based on the original proposals put forward by industry during consultation while the VCR was a bill:

https://www.popularairsoft.com/news/ukasgb-ukara-aba-proposal-vcr-bill

The Scheme would involve the following:

• The ABA would undertake to issue Player Licenses. This would result in recognized players.
  
• The UKASGB would undertake to register, monitor standards and regulate itsmember sites. The sites would either register with the police or the local authority.
  
• Not all sites are members of the UKASGB for varying reasons. However, we feelthat this should not preclude them from forming their own body and then applyingfor HO recognition.
  
• UKARA would undertake to register dedicated Airsoft retailers and provideguidelines and standards for their operation. We also propose that dedicatedAirsoft retailers be registered with the local constabulary so as to provide an audittrail that is transparent and clear for examination.
  

 

[Druid799]

It turns out that all the newbies coming on here talking about getting their licence are right based on the original proposals put forward by industry during consultation while the VCR was a bill:

https://www.popularairsoft.com/news/ukasgb-ukara-aba-proposal-vcr-bill

The Scheme would involve the following:

• The ABA would undertake to issue Player Licenses. This would result in recognized players.
  
• The UKASGB would undertake to register, monitor standards and regulate itsmember sites. The sites would either register with the police or the local authority.
  
• Not all sites are members of the UKASGB for varying reasons. However, we feelthat this should not preclude them from forming their own body and then applyingfor HO recognition.
  
• UKARA would undertake to register dedicated Airsoft retailers and provideguidelines and standards for their operation. We also propose that dedicatedAirsoft retailers be registered with the local constabulary so as to provide an audittrail that is transparent and clear for examination.
  

BUT no fucker has ever heard or seen any of this so your argument is moot ! ?

 

[Rogerborg]

FFS It’s NOT a poxy licence !

I reckon @AirsoftNewb knows this and is having a bit of fun.

I also reckon that he'll never actually play and my £5 remains on the table if anyone wants to bet against that.

 

[Jaylordofwaargh]

There are a few bargains to be had down at the lower end, but you need to get in really quickly,

Yes, but also no. The 'uncompleted' are still worth a message. My (perceived) bargain of a shotgun says so....but as you say this was a lower end item.