Clothes

[Nickona]

But ATACS is best and everything else is like dressing up as a lollypop lady.

Obviously.

 

[TPI]

ATACS Is Best Because it's the newest Most exspenive thing

Obviously.

Lick me.

yes of course he is being sarcastic same thing happened when Multicam first came out people!!!

Off topic:

Notice how if you take away the top layer's on multicam it look's like ATACS AU

sorry i dunno where it was but that resemblance would show's the prototype for AU was knocking about atleast the same time. (Going back to somepoint where we were saying about ATAC's vs Multicam for the US Army Testing)

 

[M_P]

Multicam was made way before a-tacs, its been around since before 2004, it was a contender for the US army way back but was beaten by ACU. People think its newer than it is as it was only recently in the last few years adopted for use.

They may have similarities but a-tacs is only about five years old, its seems to me that if they had prototypes for it way back ten years ago then it would've been released a lot earlier. There'd be no reason to wait?

 

[Nickona]

yes of course he is being sarcastic same thing happened when Multicam first came out people!!!

Off topic:

Notice how if you take away the top layer's on multicam it look's like ATACS AU

sorry i dunno where it was but that resemblance would show's the prototype for AU was knocking about atleast the same time. (Going back to somepoint where we were saying about ATAC's vs Multicam for the US Army Testing)

I would like to point out that A-TACS is actually the same price, if not cheaper than a lot of multicam products

And FG is certainly more effective in a woodland enviroment

Anyhooo... on to your off topic bit it was at the 2010 replacement for UCP in Afghanistan that As far as I know A-TACS was trialed but lost out to multicam as it was too complex to make in their current manufacturing procees (its due to MC being a flat pattern and A-TACS a 3Done you have to dye them differently or something)

Multicam was made way before a-tacs, its been around since before 2004, it was a contender for the US army way back but was beaten by ACU. People think its newer than it is as it was only recently in the last few years adopted for use.

They may have similarities but a-tacs is only about five years old, its seems to me that if they had prototypes for it way back ten years ago then it would've been released a lot earlier. There'd be no reason to wait?

Its only become really common after 2010 when the US started using it for Afghan operations.

Also I imagine most of these companies would have test and prototype pattern around years before they finalise them.. look how long it took them to make FG. Also if they're going for a defense contract bid, most companies wouldn't release their patters until afterwards. I know Crye have made a new pattern which they're bidding with for the new US contract and there are some new US Govt. designed ones as well but they aren't showing anyone what they are.

Also Marcus *UCP not ACU

Again off topic, one thing I do hate is that all the governments (inc US) have gotten into this weird obsession with digital patterns, probably because they look all futuristic. Never are there right angle seen anywhere in nature, and even in cities plain colours are better. I also disagree with the idea of "universal" camo patterns, its a contradiciton in terms really.. yes you can have some that perform wellish across many areas but ultimately they'd be beaten by a specialist pattern. Thats why I think MTP should have replaced DDPM, and there should have been another replacement for DPM, as MTP is a arid/desert pattern. Rant over...

 

[Jubigala]

You could always invest in a bush, James. But as a rank, you'd have to start as Privet First Class. Haha.

My advice, as a new air-softer is to buy some Flecktarn. You can get it in ACU cut (modern style combat uniform) or BDU (issued) which is basically a shirt, but it very cheap, and effective. or if you want to be British, DPM.. same reasons.. but you may struggle to find DPM in an ACU cut.

@ Nickona - Thanks for the comparison with MTP/Multicam. And I agree about digital patterns, though SURPAT looks very effective?

 

[Nickona]

You could always invest in a bush, James. But as a rank, you'd have to start as Privet First Class. Haha.

My advice, as a new air-softer is to buy some Flecktarn. You can get it in ACU cut (modern style combat uniform) or BDU (issued) which is basically a shirt, but it very cheap, and effective. or if you want to be British, DPM.. same reasons.. but you may struggle to find DPM in an ACU cut.

@ Nickona - Thanks for the comparison with MTP/Multicam. And I agree about digital patterns, though SURPAT looks very effective?

No worries..

As for cuts of material.. BDU (Battle dress uniform) is the old US style clothing, very good and simple (I got my A-TACS FG in BDUs)

ACU (Army Combat Uniform) is the newer version of BDU with all the velcro etc (I have my A-TACS AU in ACU) The issued ACU has had some bad press but its generally quite good

[i personally would go for BDU bottoms and ACU or UBACS (Under body armour combat shirt) top]

British kit comes in Soldier 95 for new DPM basically very similar to BDUs

and MTP now comes in PCS (Personal Clothing System) which is similar to ACU

Generally speaking ACUs are more expensive than BDUs

 

[Sam_G]

MTP also comes in S95 cut.

I would say buy what ever camo you like the look of. The debate of what camo is best will go on for ever as its all personal preference.

 

[Nickona]

MTP also comes in S95 cut.

It did for a short while when it was just issued to touring troops before PCS came out. MTP in 95 cut isn't very common anymore, although there are a few jackets kicking about

 

[Jubigala]

UBACS or ACU cut for the serious airsofter IMO, as you can have all the velcro patches. I've just gone for the BDU shirt myself. Cheap, does the job for the first few skirmishes and is nice to have a slight classic retro look.

 

[M_P]

I have some nick

To be honest most camo is expensive for what it is, with the exceptions of the few cheaper ones like dpm etc and those lucky ******** like juni0r who get a brilliant deal

 

[Sam_G]

I have some nick

To be honest most camo is expensive for what it is, with the exceptions of the few cheaper ones like dpm etc and those lucky ******** like juni0r who get a brilliant deal

TWICE!

 

[Nickona]

I have some nick

Yea, but yours is really old..

 

[WhiteDeath]

Pff,everyone knows Alpenflange is the only effective camo in the world.

 

[TPI]

wrong The Invisibility cloak is actually duh...

 

[Nickona]

Back on topic more... For a new player with a budget I would advise getting gear in OD (Olive Drab or Olive Green) as it will go with every camo pattern, even desert ones. I wear my OD chest rig with every camo I have and it looks right.

 

[The Leprechaun!]

CS95 DPM and PSC MTP also has the advantage that, even if you get it soaking wet and muddy, simply your body heat running around and whatnot will dry it out a lot faster than jeans or even some other forms of camo, which means you wont be wet,and therefore cold and unhappy for the day (or at worst go down with cold exposure). Something to consider if your going woodland skirmishing in Britain's all year round fantastic weather... :L

 

[Chippins]

I would have to reccomend regular German Flecktarn for the British woodland environment, works all year round and is dirt cheap, here's a couple of pictures of my buddy using it at different times of the year:

I think the camo cost him less than a tenner all together

 

[armysurplusandtoys]

hi there

i agree to the other posts defiantly pair of boots ankle support and protection, there are many different patterns out there so why not get a cheap set and go down a few times get a feel about YOU fancy the look of then go from there.

but most people have several different load outs .... in the end

 

[Joe_]

Reading this has made me a little worried ha! I'm looking to book my first game but unsure if to buy camo first? Do alot of people really look down on those who don't have all the gear first time?

 

[TPI]

Nope if anything i get more annoyed by the i have all my Kit before i have even been to game (My brother was even one of them)