Josh_paul04 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Where’s the best place to find swat police style uniforms I’ve been looking for a while now and can only find small bits (I’d like to get it as close as without breaking the law) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heroshark Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 I don't know if you know but a swat loadout could run up into the region of £700. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh_paul04 Posted June 18, 2019 Author Share Posted June 18, 2019 Just for the uniform? I’m not too bothered about the guns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostly Retired Moderators L3wisD Posted June 18, 2019 Mostly Retired Moderators Share Posted June 18, 2019 Just avoid anything that mentions police or something similar, like armed response. Hopefully it's obvious, but you need to be careful you're not found to be imitating an officer. @Rogerborg might be able to lend some knowledge law help here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh_paul04 Posted June 18, 2019 Author Share Posted June 18, 2019 Ok thanks I’ll get something put on where it says airsoft or not an actual police officer thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st commando Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 It actually does not matter if it says "Police" as long as it's worn only at events and you do not attempt to convince people you are a police officer . The Offense of imitating a police officer is quite specific with regards to it being a result of actions more than a result of clothing and insignia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BibbsOnTour Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 Patrol Store is brilliant for this sort of stuff! They provide kit for real coppers and security personnel alike so it's all of decent quality too plus the guy who runs it is a top bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Prisce Posted June 18, 2019 Supporters Share Posted June 18, 2019 Search the forum for Police/CTSFO/SWAT loadouts and read the few lengthy threads that go through everything in depth. I posted a couple of websites on one recently that provide kit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Rogerborg Posted June 18, 2019 Supporters Share Posted June 18, 2019 3 hours ago, 1st commando said: It actually does not matter if it says "Police" as long as it's worn only at events and you do not attempt to convince people you are a police officer . The Offense of imitating a police officer is quite specific with regards to it being a result of actions more than a result of clothing and insignia Winner. Intent is required. "Any person who, not being a constable, wears any article of police uniform in circumstances where it gives him an appearance so nearly resembling that of a member of a police force as to be calculated to deceive shall be guilty of an offence" https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1996/16/section/90 However, there's a catch all for simple possession: "Any person who, not being a member of a police force or special constable, has in his possession any article of police uniform shall, unless he proves that he obtained possession of that article lawfully and has possession of it for a lawful purpose, be guilty of an offence" The good news is that the case law on that is Cooke vs DPP 2015 which opined that: "For my part, I accept that the lawful purpose or purposes for which articles of police uniform are obtained and possessed must be a positive purpose. I do not, however, accept that that purpose must be narrowly construed. Articles of police uniform can lawfully be possessed for a wide variety of purposes, other than the performance of police duty. The following is a non-exhaustive list: theatrical, film or TV performance by actors (amateur and professional) in the role of a police officer; wearing at fancy dress parties and similar events; collection and display in a museum; private collection for personal enjoyment;" tl;dr version - you're fine to obtain, possess and wear police uniform if there's no intent to deceive, and you're possessing it for a purpose such as an airsoft event. Just be prepared to explain that purpose, don't keep it with you unless travelling to or from an event, and I'd suggest that you don't wear and certainly don't display it while travelling, regardless of the strict legality of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Tackle Posted June 18, 2019 Supporters Share Posted June 18, 2019 as an alternative to what potentially contravenes UK law, why not go with a decent black loadout, & instead of using police logo's, get some non uk alternatives, you've already mentioned SWAT which is obviously a us based specialized unit, there's also DEA, CIA, FBI/HRT, & numerous other units, I even remember a few players doing a Brazilian specialist unit (whose name escapes me), & that way even if pics end on social media, as often happens 😉, you wont get a knock on the door from UK plod. (although the CIA might grab you, rendition you to Egypt & treat to numerous spring water facials 😜) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostly Retired Moderators L3wisD Posted June 18, 2019 Mostly Retired Moderators Share Posted June 18, 2019 See, I told you that Roger was the man for this thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Druid799 Posted June 18, 2019 Supporters Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, Tackle said: I even remember a few players doing a Brazilian specialist unit (whose name escapes me), I think that would be the not particularly butch sounding BOPE para military police unit ! ’Ard badge ! 😤 not so hard name ! 🤗 😂😂😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Tackle Posted June 18, 2019 Supporters Share Posted June 18, 2019 That was it mate, I think there was a whole team running it way back, complete with Frank Spencer berets lol 23 minutes ago, Druid799 said: I think that would be the not particularly butch sounding BOPE para military police unit ! ’Ard badge ! 😤 not so hard name ! 🤗 😂😂😂 32 minutes ago, L3wisD said: See, I told you that Roger was the man for this thread Mate, If I'm ever unfortunate enough to get nicked for anything, I'm gonna get Rog to represent me 🤞 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mostly Retired Moderators L3wisD Posted June 18, 2019 Mostly Retired Moderators Share Posted June 18, 2019 I always imagine him to be like Joe Pesci in My Cousin Vinnie 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Tackle Posted June 18, 2019 Supporters Share Posted June 18, 2019 21 minutes ago, L3wisD said: I always imagine him to be like Joe Pesci in My Cousin Vinnie 😂 I was rather hoping that he'd look more like marissa tomei from my cousin vinnie 🤤 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommikka Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 3 hours ago, Rogerborg said: .... Cooke vs DPP 2015 which opined that:.... private collection for personal enjoyment;" I missed that trick by not quoting case law to a lady or two. Though they were fully aware of my intent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Druid799 Posted June 18, 2019 Supporters Share Posted June 18, 2019 2 hours ago, L3wisD said: I always imagine him to be like Joe Pesci in My Cousin Vinnie 😂 Nah , more like ‘Leo Getts’ from Lethal weapon ! 🤣🤣🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Rogerborg Posted June 18, 2019 Supporters Share Posted June 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Druid799 said: Nah , more like ‘Leo Getts’ from Lethal weapon ! Sad because true. For the love of God, don't take anything that you read on a forum as legal advice. I'm only vaguely law enforcement adjacent: if you get tugged by the fuzz, give your name and address and then the only words out of your mouth are "Duty solicitor, please and thank you." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musica Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 40 minutes ago, Rogerborg said: Sad because true. For the love of God, don't take anything that you read on a forum as legal advice. I'm only vaguely law enforcement adjacent: if you get tugged by the fuzz, give your name and address and then the only words out of your mouth are "Duty solicitor, please and thank you." law enforcment adjacent. so the opposite like a criminal?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Rogerborg Posted June 19, 2019 Supporters Share Posted June 19, 2019 10 hours ago, Musica said: law enforcment adjacent. so the opposite like a criminal?! Nothing so exciting. Police computer systems, which involve steering them on what information they need to record for given crimes. You'd be amazed how much the average copper isn't taught about the law. You could fill books with it, and they have, and I've had to read them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkee Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 4 hours ago, Rogerborg said: Nothing so exciting. Police computer systems, which involve steering them on what information they need to record for given crimes. You'd be amazed how much the average copper isn't taught about the law. You could fill books with it, and they have, and I've had to read them. As an ex-copper (with law degree) and now military copper, I can vouch for this statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Rogerborg Posted June 19, 2019 Supporters Share Posted June 19, 2019 Mmm, and I should add, it's not a criticism of the thin blue line. You get, what, PACE, public order, maybe a teaser about traffic and a soupçon of sexual assault, then it's off to pick up the rest in the canteen, or bone up on Blackstones when you go for Sergeant. Blair was criticised for creating a new offence each day, but I don't think it's slackened off much since then. Lawyers can barely keep up with statute and case law in their own areas of narrow expertise: it's irrational to expect police to keep on top of the entire body of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EvilMonkee Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 On 19/06/2019 at 22:09, Rogerborg said: Mmm, and I should add, it's not a criticism of the thin blue line. You get, what, PACE, public order, maybe a teaser about traffic and a soupçon of sexual assault, then it's off to pick up the rest in the canteen, or bone up on Blackstones when you go for Sergeant. Blair was criticised for creating a new offence each day, but I don't think it's slackened off much since then. Lawyers can barely keep up with statute and case law in their own areas of narrow expertise: it's irrational to expect police to keep on top of the entire body of it. PACE if you are lucky and have a vaguely competent teacher at Training School. Otherwise its the various flavours of assaults, theft and burglary and thats about it. It may hve changed in my time out but I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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