Vulpiness Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Like every pistol I've had locks open, yet to find an AEG that does, it seems like it's so simple to do with a midcap, so when you run out of ammo the thing locks open as appropriate, You might be able to do a "spring hop-up as well or instead. Am I missing something here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommikka Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 In real life pistols its as a result of the physical design and physics. It’s also maintained as an insicator that the gun is clear (unless it’s a jam of course) Airsoft guns, and especially electricals, work very differently The physics of launching a BB comes down to a puff of air behind it rather than the real guns moving parts and combustion An AEG manufacturer would have to want to design that as a feature, such as both moving parts when firing and locking when empty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clumpyedge Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Bolt lock is nothing new really, Shame more platforms don't use it (saying that I can imagine the amount of people that would then think their gun is broken because its stopped firing) all GBBR's have this function and pistols as you say. would be a bit harder for a physical bolt to lock back on an AEG unless of course you count the GBLS or whatever its called which is a hybrid of an AEG and GBBR. I think the likes of recoil and systema platforms (these are the only guns I've had most experience with) have got the best middle ground of a workable bolt lock but without the moving parts of a physical bolt locking back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Adolf Hamster Posted January 24, 2019 Supporters Share Posted January 24, 2019 it's been done, but never really very well. would be relatively easy to have a cutoff microswitch tripped by a follower protrusion on a midcap but next to impossible for hicaps. the market just doesn't care enough, i mean the amount of people who still run nimh for gods sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulpiness Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 43 minutes ago, clumpyedge said: I think the likes of recoil and systema platforms (these are the only guns I've had most experience with) have got the best middle ground of a workable bolt lock but without the moving parts of a physical bolt locking back. With the ARES EBB, it's the only (other than some finish issues) thing that bothers me, the bolt often stops halfway, or so after firing for a bit, and it doesn't lock back. And you know, if AEG isn't a EBB, I get it but with the EBB one would expect that feature to be the logical step, and all you'd need is a U shaped follower with one side of the "bolt" having a prong to catch on it. Even easier with a mosfet, you just have a button and a wire the protrusion contacts with and the coding does the rest. 24 minutes ago, Adolf Hamster said: mean the amount of people who still run nimh for gods sake. There's an alternative? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clumpyedge Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 3 minutes ago, Vulpiness said: With the ARES EBB, it's the only (other than some finish issues) thing that bothers me, the bolt often stops halfway, or so after firing for a bit, and it doesn't lock back. And you know, if AEG isn't a EBB, I get it but with the EBB one would expect that feature to be the logical step, and all you'd need is a U shaped follower with one side of the "bolt" having a prong to catch on it. Even easier with a mosfet, you just have a button and a wire the protrusion contacts with and the coding does the rest. As @Adolf Hamster said the market just doesn't want it. plenty of platforms that replicate an actual bolt going back without having to mechanically do so... if it aint broke don't fix it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Adolf Hamster Posted January 24, 2019 Supporters Share Posted January 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, Vulpiness said: There's an alternative? yeah man, NiCad is a thing now, massive performance boosts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E21A Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 3 hours ago, Vulpiness said: There's an alternative? Do you live under a rock? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
koppel Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 6 hours ago, Vulpiness said: Am I missing something here? Not really, airsoft isn't that innovative and lags behind the curve quite considerably. The R/C lot were using lipos a decade before anyone in the airsoft world thought they would be a good idea par example. Most AEG manufacturers are essentially still using a copy of Maruis patent design from the 1990's. They might catch up eventually but now the market is dominated by the chinese instead of the japanese we might not be that lucky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulpiness Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 4 hours ago, Adolf Hamster said: yeah man, NiCad is a thing now, massive performance boosts 1 hour ago, E21A said: Do you live under a rock? No, I'm just a friking dumbass. I google Nimh, get nothing, google nimh airsoft, see a picture of a batteie, go, an" alternative to batteries wtf?" Me is much intelligence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E21A Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 34 minutes ago, Vulpiness said: No, I'm just a friking dumbass. I google Nimh, get nothing, google nimh airsoft, see a picture of a batteie, go, an" alternative to batteries wtf?" Me is much intelligence. Google lipo and join us in this century Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steveocee Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 Don't the TM EBB Scars do something like this? I'm sure when I borrowed a mates there was a confusing couple of minutes where I'd just put a fresh mag in and it wouldn't shoot, he leaned over, hit the release catch and it started firing again. It's more complication to go wrong and begs for problems as you cheapen it as a feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musica Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 34 minutes ago, Steveocee said: Don't the TM EBB Scars do something like this? I'm sure when I borrowed a mates there was a confusing couple of minutes where I'd just put a fresh mag in and it wouldn't shoot, he leaned over, hit the release catch and it started firing again. It's more complication to go wrong and begs for problems as you cheapen it as a feature. The TM EBBs cycle the bolt on firing I think but I don't remember the bolt locking back but you do need to use the bolt release after reloading a dry mag. I'm sure a TM EBB owner will weigh in soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopRocket123 Posted January 24, 2019 Share Posted January 24, 2019 More and more higher end aegs are doing it. The problem is the easiest way to do it requires proprietary magsnwhich is a turn off for a lot of people who have already invested in the mags they need. It's less of an issue for non M4 platforms since if you have a gun that needs a special mag anyway why not make it a feature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vulpiness Posted January 24, 2019 Author Share Posted January 24, 2019 5 hours ago, E21A said: Google lipo and join us in this century ddin't need to, cam up when I googleed NiCad. and i was like, oh..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clumpyedge Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 14 hours ago, Steveocee said: Don't the TM EBB Scars do something like this? I'm sure when I borrowed a mates there was a confusing couple of minutes where I'd just put a fresh mag in and it wouldn't shoot, he leaned over, hit the release catch and it started firing again. It's more complication to go wrong and begs for problems as you cheapen it as a feature. 14 hours ago, Musica said: The TM EBBs cycle the bolt on firing I think but I don't remember the bolt locking back but you do need to use the bolt release after reloading a dry mag. I'm sure a TM EBB owner will weigh in soon. 22 hours ago, clumpyedge said: Bolt lock is nothing new really, Shame more platforms don't use it (saying that I can imagine the amount of people that would then think their gun is broken because its stopped firing) all GBBR's have this function and pistols as you say. would be a bit harder for a physical bolt to lock back on an AEG unless of course you count the GBLS or whatever its called which is a hybrid of an AEG and GBBR. I think the likes of recoil and systema platforms (these are the only guns I've had most experience with) have got the best middle ground of a workable bolt lock but without the moving parts of a physical bolt locking back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musica Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 Heres a new feature coming auto mag dropping. You know your out of bbs because your mags no longer in your gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PopRocket123 Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 8 hours ago, Musica said: Heres a new feature coming auto mag dropping. You know your out of bbs because your mags no longer in your gun. I can honestly not think of a more stupid and useless idea. Great way to lose mags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Adolf Hamster Posted January 25, 2019 Supporters Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 hour ago, PopRocket123 said: I can honestly not think of a more stupid and useless idea. Great way to lose mags it's a 3-gun thing, saves you those .01s split times you'd otherwise spend tediously pressing the mag release button. meanwhile in the real world mag change speeds aren't as relevant as being able to keep a hold of them, it's the reason i preferr the makarov's heel release to a gamer style button, at least the makarov has a very high chance the mag will still be in the gun when i need it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musica Posted January 25, 2019 Share Posted January 25, 2019 1 hour ago, PopRocket123 said: I can honestly not think of a more stupid and useless idea. Great way to lose mags Imagine seeing your enemys mag drop out of his gun. Priceless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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