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Been reading up and doing research on Daytona guns and people here seem to know details about Daytona guns from first hand experience with them.

 

I'm really interested in doing/getting a daytona WE MSK but have a few questions:

 

  1. Is there any support or service centres/people for Daytona guns in the UK?
  2. Is Getsome 1000 a special lubricant or just the only one validated with Daytona kits?
  3. Would the it be worth having the MSK kit installed professionally and if so does anyone/where offer that service in the UK

 

So from my understanding, the MSK kit is a drop in kit with very little work being needed to be done to the body. However, I live in student accommodation (I'm a PhD student) so I don't really have the space to do any serious work outside just general maintenance, hence why I'm asking about support/service centres or techs who can do the job.

 

Secondly, Getsome 1000 seems to just be a branded high performance lubricant, surely equivalent alternatives would work just as well?

 

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1. Not that I really know of specially for DG, but there are a number of us using them here now and the international Facebook group used to be pretty excellent when I still used it

2. GetSome is still the go-to for most but the EU it's only really possible to get it from HPAirsoft I believe (and it's expensive to the point that it's worth buying from the US if you're getting more than ~2 bottles). I would just import 4 dropper bottles and a needle bottle from the US if you import your kit. That will leave you set for years.

3. Depends on your experience but I doubt you'll find a place in the UK. Your best bet may be HPAirsoft in Poland or importing a complete kit from Blackblitz. You're mostly on your own in the UK when it comes to tooling unfortunately.

 

There are equivalents for GetSome that some people use. I just use it because I've never had an issue and it's one less thing to worry about on what it already a very expensive gun. Cutting the cost of the lube down just doesn't justify the hassle to me. Again the Facebook group might be able to provide an answer for you as I know for a fact that there are people in continental Europe using alternatives. When it comes to lubricants like the one DG uses the viscosity plays a big part but also how inert it is as it's coming into contact with aluminium, brass, plastics and tool steel all the same gun and reasonably fearsomely. Certainly you can't use typical airsoft greases but as GetSome is made for outdoor sporting goods (fishing rods, bikes and the like) there are some alternatives that fit that same profile.

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Okay so another question.

 

Aside from the extra number of shots I'd get from a 4500 psi tank vs a 3000 psi, are their any other advantages to the 4.5k tank?

 

Also does anyone have any experience with how air hungry a daytona MSK kit is?

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Get a 4500 for sure. All DGs are air hungry and 4500 makes a significant difference.

 

Also remember that if you want to use a dive tank and fill station with a 4500psi shot tank that you'll need a 300bar one (not the usual 232bar).

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Probably be awhile before I get a dive tank and fill station, fortunately got a site near my that does refills for free if I'm playing or for £1 if I'm not. 

 

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Trying to research regulators, I've been told multiple times the redline SFR is the go too for daytona guns but the storm and polarstar MR both seem to have the exact same specs in terms of pressure range and fast refresh rate etc. Is there anything that makes the redline SFR stand out above the others?

 

Thanks

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On 06/09/2018 at 11:01, Encore said:

Okay so another question.

 

Aside from the extra number of shots I'd get from a 4500 psi tank vs a 3000 psi, are their any other advantages to the 4.5k tank?

 

Also does anyone have any experience with how air hungry a daytona MSK kit is?

On a like for like basis a 4500psi cylinder (using rough calculations):

can hold an extra 50% air due to the extra pressure 

A fibre cylinder has a thin wall of aluminium wrapped by carbon fibre, so is lighter than an aluminium cylinder of the same capacity

 

However a ‘standard’ 4500psi cylinder is larger than a standard aluminium 3000psi cylinder, which means you get more capacity, but also tends to closen up the weights

 

An ‘ultralight’ type of fibre cylinder is much lighter than an aluminium cylinder

 

Mostly irrelevant for airsoft, but an aluminium typically has a flat base and a fibre has a curved base.  This means if you have it attached to the gun Paintball style it can be used as a stock that rolls in your shoulder

 

 

£ for air capacity, multiple aluminium 3000psi air cylinders are cheaper than fibre wrapped 4500psi cylinders 

Aluminium cylinders are hardy and can be bashed around.  Scratched paint does not affect the cylinder

Fibre wrapped cylinders are safe enough to bash about a bit, but scratches that go beyond the finish and potentially get to the fibre can mean hydro test failure or the air man refusing fills 

 

(Prices below exclude low pressure airsoft regulators) 

Fibre Cylinders should be considered an investment over time costing about £150 to buy and maybe £25 / £30 to hydro test - in the region of £200 over 15 year lifetime.  Ultralites obviously cost more

Aluminium cylinders can cost about £30 and have up to 10 years between hydro tests (but may only be accepted by some sites for 5 years).  It’s not usually financially viable or worth the effort but can be used forever as long as they pass hydro tests

Thats £13.50 per year for a fibre and £3 to £6 per year for an aluminium

 

There are many combinations of length & thickness of fibre cylinders and also a new ISO standard that can allow certain fibre designs to be used forever subject to hydrotesting 

Low capacity aluminium cylinders such as 13ci are exempt from hydrotesting, but won’t last long on an air hungry gun

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Do I still need to have got SFR modded to have a standard (non QD) fitting on its end or would I get away with QD's at both ends of my air line if they are both EU widebores?

 

Also can someone recommend some places I can get tanks from and brands in the UK? I can find sites etc but I've no clue if the brand's they have are any good (read are the include brand regs any good). 

 

Thanks! 

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