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So as some of you may know already I ran my JG M4 AEG this weekend gone and I have to say I am anything but enamoured with the infamous M4 platform. 

 

I enjoyed the extra range, something I'm not used to having and I also enjoyed full auto but it just felt... meh after a while. By this I mean I didn't relax into the games as I was constantly dealing with discomfort and awkwardness.

 

First thing I know I'm changing is the vertical grip. It felt horrible and I found myself holding the mag port on the receiver so a small angled grip will suffice.

 

Second is the stock, its the M4 style for AK47 and is all kinds of spikey. I may even completely remove the stock as it's front wired.

 

Can anyone give advice/abuse as to what else I can do to get more enjoyment out of my M4?!

 

Short of shelving it and moving on to another project I'm in a quandry as to what to do....

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Get on all the retailer websites, there's an infinite amount of things you can do with the AR-15 platforms, there's a good chance you'll find some accessories you like the look of etc. Or think you'd find comfortable at least.

I wouldn't worry about holding the magwell, seems 70% of AR-15 users in Airsoft do so as well so you're not alone- I used to find it comfortable myself.

Not sure the type of stock you mean you have though, try and see if you can find an alternative that you'd like- i have 4 or 5 differently stock-ed ARs and some are better some are worse than others to me but it's all personal preference

 

If you still cant find bits and pieces to make  it suit you more then that's fine too, ask to try other peoples rifles next time you're at a game and see what you like the feel of more. You never know you may end up loving something you'd never have thought of before. No gun is right for everyone at the end of the day, try as many styles as you can 👍

 

 

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An M4 is an M4. Swap the rails around, buy a new stock, slap a scope on it. Do whatever. Lots of variety to be had when building your own gun. You go online and see what you like best and then tailor it to how you play. I constantly change bits around on mine and no matter what gun I play with I always come back to the M4. 

 

If you're completely burned out try some other guns. I'm really enjoying my L85 right now and the bullpup style makes for an interesting playstyle (cornering, reloading, etc). 

 

 

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To be honest I've been looking at the retailers and it all just melts into one long stream of generic shit.

 

I like my rail but I don't like the stock. Not sure I even want to keep it?

 

Overall though it felt uncomfortable and aside from previously mentioning I like the range it just didn't feel "right."

 

I guess what I'm getting at is if my route concerns run so deep shall I just move on to a different model entirely?

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Visit an airsoft store or better yet - ask a few of the players at your local if you can borrow their gun for a round or so. Get an idea of what it is you're looking for in a gun. It could be something as simple as you just don't like the ergonomics of an M4. 

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17 minutes ago, Gepard said:

Visit an airsoft store or better yet - ask a few of the players at your local if you can borrow their gun for a round or so. Get an idea of what it is you're looking for in a gun. It could be something as simple as you just don't like the ergonomics of an M4. 

 

I'm already 99% sure that is the case @Gepard.

 

My local shop is A2 in Reading and I do not want to step foot in there after the stories I've heard.

 

I think I'd prefer something smaller (the barrel is 10.5) so it's not exactly big to begin with.

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45 minutes ago, Duff said:

I found myself holding the mag port on the receiver

 

Magwell grip, chap.

 

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I'd agree with just binning the stock. I know it's personal preference but we don't really need them on airsoft guns and I prefer SMG stylee in front of the face rather than all bracey-clampey on a lightweight toy with no recoil.

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See if anyone in your social circle has a solid stock to test. I don't get on with the crane stocks because I too find them uncomfortable. The solid long type on the other hand I find very to be comfortable. I also find crane stocks make the gun feel distant. You don't get the feedback from the leading  hand and there is slop between the gun and the stock. A solid stock removes that. Your leading hand and shoulder will feel connected like you get with the solid stock AK.

Or the other option is an LR300 wire stock. Dboys make one that is cheap enough on ebay.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dboys-Extendable-Foldable-Lr300-Stock-Folding-Stock-Airsoft-Black-Metal/222882175844?epid=1212289265&hash=item33e4d01b64:g:O0EAAOSw5i5aqQbK

Changing the gun to rear wired on a solid stock allows for a bigger battery, and that in turn allows you to counterbalance the RIS. This has a profound effect on the M4 platform, more weight on the shoulder, less in the leading hand. Even tho the gun is heavier it's actually more nimble and easier to point.

Grab a magwell grip. There are loads of clones out there. They make sense.


 

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Oooh!?!?

 

OOOOH!?!?!? 

 

Sexy, thanks @Rogerborg and @IceniI think changing the stock to solid and putting the battery there might be an idea and I'm definitely getting me one 9d those magwell grips. Exactly what I want.

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I did the stock change from wire type to solid on my Gr300 for exactly the same reason as your describing. People look at you like a nutter for replacing tacticool with what they see as old fashioned. But been able to whack a big counter balance in the gun, have space for a decent mosfet, and not have that remote feeling all make it worth it for me!

This gun is on the workbench ATM, I should have it re-painted, and ready to rock in a couple of weeks. But it's a CQB length M4 with a solid stock, just so you can see what they look like in terms of dimensions.

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14 minutes ago, Iceni said:

I did the stock change from wire type to solid on my Gr300 for exactly the same reason as your describing. People look at you like a nutter for replacing tacticool with what they see as old fashioned. But been able to whack a big counter balance in the gun, have space for a decent mosfet, and not have that remote feeling all make it worth it for me!

This gun is on the workbench ATM, I should have it re-painted, and ready to rock in a couple of weeks. But it's a CQB length M4 with a solid stock, just so you can see what they look like in terms of dimensions.

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I went for the MOE RIS style grip and A front site as I prefer older 80's style firearms and I think either a solid stock or none at all with a magwell grip. Mine is CQB too even though I'm trying to get 40ms out of it.

 

I think I'll try the solid stock, magwell grip and a rewire to rear.

 

Thanks all and feel free to post more suggestions.

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1 hour ago, Duff said:

 

I went for the MOE RIS style grip and A front site as I prefer older 80's style firearms and I think either a solid stock or none at all with a magwell grip. Mine is CQB too even though I'm trying to get 40ms out of it.

 

I think I'll try the solid stock, magwell grip and a rewire to rear.

 

Thanks all and feel free to post more suggestions.

 

Have you tried a magpul style handguard or an AFG? You'll still be able to squeeze a battery in the front that way and save the rewire. 

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/AIRSOFT-M-SERIES-AEG-MOE-MPOE-7-POLYMER-HANDGUARD-FRONT-GUARD-BLACK-PTS-/391382307414?hash=item5b20341256

 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Black-Tactical-Military-Airsoft-Angled-Fore-Grip-Finger-Shelf-For-AFG2-Parts-UK/202325207901?hash=item2f1b85ab5d:g:oacAAOSwLIdak7r2

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That's the exact handguard I have and I like it. That angled grip is meh... gonna go for the magpull Rog suggested. 

 

@Druid799 get fucked!

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1 hour ago, Duff said:

I prefer older 80's style firearms

 

Thanks all and feel free to post more suggestions.

Simples, get yourself a star fnc carbine, its the one gat I regret selling, solid as fuck, 3 fire modes inc burst, takes m4 mags, it's the bollocks. 

Plus you can get a railed fore end if needed, but I wouldn't bother, it's proper old skool, check out al Pacino using one in the bank robbery scene in Heat.

 

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4 minutes ago, Duff said:

 

 

@Druid799 get fucked!

 

i just had an attack of the vapors I was so shocked ! 

😱😱😱😱😱😱😱

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6 minutes ago, Tackle said:

 

Simples, get yourself a star fnc carbine, its the one gat I regret selling, solid as fuck, 3 fire modes inc burst, takes m4 mags, it's the bollocks. 

Plus you can get a railed fore end if needed, but I wouldn't bother, it's proper old skool, check out al Pacino using one in the bank robbery scene in Heat.

 

IMG_3848.JPG

 

Yeah I'm not at the stage where I just bin it for another RIF completely just yet.

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1 minute ago, L3wisD said:

THE JG THUNDERMAUL!!


You know if he buys one of those he's going to follow you about at the mall and make sure he's stood by you for every photo opportunity.

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I have an ICS M4 and ASG AR15, like of both of them, i do have the vertical grip as close to the mag well as i can and considering a magwell grip tbh.....but everyone is different and you're probably just not an M4 fan / commoner !!! ;):lol:

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Totally agree with changing the stock. I like no stock (The Wasp) or a really simple/minimalist stock. I chop and change on both aegs between gripping the mag well and the rail. With the Reccce the mag well is shaped like a grip, so it is super comfortable. I also have a vertical grip on it, but that is mostly used for carrying it between games or when I am running. 

 

I like stocks that look like this one

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Or the sliding type (price is scary on this one!

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How's the weight of your M4? Does it feel front/back heavy and that's possibly why it feels so uncomfortable? 

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It's super front heavy and felt a chore. I don't like those stocks, too sci-fi. I grew up on Sugar Puffs and the A-Team so prefer more retro look.

 

I'm still not 100% convinced I want a stock at all or whether I rear wire it?

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Well it would be cheaper (probably) to go stockless and see 🙂  If you don't like that then buy full stock. 

With it already feeling front heavy, then maybe a full stock will better balance it? 

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I'd be inclined to either go solid, or bin it.

 

The only reason that I've still got the foldy-stock attached to my G36 is that it's a handy place to strap on some mags for +10 Tacticool Points.

 

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It takes a while to get comfortable with some guns,but once you achieve that its all good.

On my M4 I use a magwell grip and a minimalist slding stock which I rarely move from closed..It may depend on the length of your arms and the length of the gun

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