Crashtest33 Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 Hi. Need a decent side arm and love using pistols. I've ordered a TM Glock and wanted to know what you thought of these upgrades. These are all for performance not looks (apart from the outer barrel). Stock slide for lightness of recoil and longevity. Guarder Glock Frame (olive) GD-GLOCK-100(OD) Steel Mag Catch GD-PT-GLOCK-13 Aluminium Gold Outer Barrel GD-GLOCK-90(GD) Stainless Outer Barrel GD-GLOCK-22(SV) PDI Piston Head PDI-PT-PH-G17 Hop Rubber PDI-PT-TM-VSR Inner Barrel PDI-PT-IB-601-TMG17 UAE Loading Nozzle UAC-TM-00031 Match Hammer & Sear UAC-TM-00037 Match Stainless Trigger Lever UAC-TM-00040 Ultralight Blowback Housing UAC-TM-0003 Fiber Optic Sight Set. UAC-TM-00027 Hammer Spring UAC-TM-00083 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Admin proffrink Posted April 3, 2016 Root Admin Share Posted April 3, 2016 This is your bible now: http://www.airsoftcanada.com/showthread.php?t=140496 - read it all, not just the OP.Guarder:Make sure the frame is the 2013 updated version. Fill in the front void with epoxy just to the rear of the front screw post. Will add many thousands more shots of life to your frame before it implodes.Don't use a steel outer barrel or it'll eat your slide in no time.PDIDon't fiddle with loading nozzle or piston heads as this is a key area where mixing brands can mess things up - the TM one is fine until it breaks anyway.Use a Nineball/laylax purple bucking, not the PDI VSR bucking as the PDI one is their 'W hold design' that's not brilliant for air seal, but is pretty accurate.Inner barrel seems goodUACDon't bother with a new loading nozzle until your TM one breaks.Don't bother with a light blowback housing - UAC don't make amazing ones anyway and they have a negligible performance increase.Hammer looks fine but again I wouldn't bother buying one until your current one breaks.Hammer spring seems fine.You need to shop around and you absolutely may need to look to Europe or Asia to get the best parts available. Don't rely on just Firesupport as no single retailer will ever have the range you need. Put more time into researching this as a lot of upgrades aren't going to be cheap - the longer you look the less likely you are to buy something bad.A good place for your Guarder stuff is http://www.rainbow8.com/ - maybe put some money into one of their aluminium slides if you're going with a metal outer barrel, but be sure to buy a 150% recoil spring and guide to go with it.A final good upgrade is the Nineball/Laylax/First Factory 'gas routers' that you can find here: http://asiaairsoft.com/index_eproduct_view.php?products_id=7226 - they should give you around an extra 10ft/s over the stock ones and worth slightly better in the winter. You will need one for each magazine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crashtest33 Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 I did read that article thoroughly and found it very comprehensive. The only issue with it is that it's 5 years old. Is it not out of date? I'm happy with using the stock outer barrel if a stainless one will wear out the slide as you've said. From experience, every other engineering industry I have knowledge of, reduce weight/add lightness. Especially of moving parts. I have no care for a bigger 'kick'. The TM blowback housing is strong and light enough you think? I was gonna drill out the TM plastic slide to make it lighter still, tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Admin proffrink Posted April 3, 2016 Root Admin Share Posted April 3, 2016 They update it all the time. The pictures have changed since I saw a couple of months ago: 'Last edited by e-luder; February 12th, 2016' An aluminium barrel is fine. If you want light weight then maybe check out the Nineball plastic ones which work alright, but you aren't going to notice a difference - especially on a G17. Wouldn't drill out the slide. Again, you won't notice a difference. We're talking fractions of fractions of seconds on a slide that already reciprocates faster than you can pull a trigger anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crashtest33 Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 Ok, cool. Thanks! So the gun will fire as fast as it can with standard TM internals? No lightweight stuff needed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Admin proffrink Posted April 3, 2016 Root Admin Share Posted April 3, 2016 Unless you're a competitive shooter you're not going to be able to fire quicker than it does, no Maybe later down the line once you've got the motor skills in place you could pour some money into it but I simply wouldn't bother right now. Don't take my word for it though - try for yourself and see! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crashtest33 Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 Groovy. How's this list then? Apart from one hell of a lot cheaper. Keith from MLEMart is trying to find me a Detonator BTC hybrid slide kit in the back of a closet somewhere so I'm waiting on a slide. Guarder Glock Frame (olive) GD-GLOCK-100(OD) Steel Mag Catch GD-PT-GLOCK-13 PDI Inner Barrel PDI-PT-IB-601-TMG17 UAE Match Stainless Trigger Lever UAC-TM-00040 Fiber Optic Sight Set. UAC-TM-00027 Hammer Spring UAC-TM-00083 Laylax/Nineball Hopbucking NB-PT-TMSCP Mag Seal/Packing NB-PT-TM-GLK-SR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters jcheeseright Posted April 3, 2016 Supporters Share Posted April 3, 2016 if you're after reliability and durability from a TM glock, change the trigger bar out for the guarder one and fit some upgrade sights. Everything else will keep on trucking for literally thousands of shots even on propane unless you regularly play in 40C heat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Admin proffrink Posted April 3, 2016 Root Admin Share Posted April 3, 2016 Groovy. How's this list then? Apart from one hell of a lot cheaper. Keith from MLEMart is trying to find me a Detonator BTC hybrid slide kit in the back of a closet somewhere so I'm waiting on a slide. Guarder Glock Frame (olive) GD-GLOCK-100(OD) Steel Mag Catch GD-PT-GLOCK-13 PDI Inner Barrel PDI-PT-IB-601-TMG17 UAE Match Stainless Trigger Lever UAC-TM-00040 Fiber Optic Sight Set. UAC-TM-00027 Hammer Spring UAC-TM-00083 Laylax/Nineball Hopbucking NB-PT-TMSCP Mag Seal/Packing NB-PT-TM-GLK-SR Looks good to me. Like jcheesesays: TM Glocks are quite reliable out of the box, but the bucking, gas router and barrel will give you some degree of performance upgrades. Everything else is aesthetic or very minor (not that that stops us). The trigger bar can be a good shout though - Rainbow8 stock them quite cheap AFAIK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crashtest33 Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 Cool. Got the trigger bar on the list. "Match Stainless Trigger Lever UAC-TM-00040" Just the UAC stainless version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Admin proffrink Posted April 3, 2016 Root Admin Share Posted April 3, 2016 Rainbow8 will be cheaper, heh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crashtest33 Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 Rainbow8 is a US site isn't it? Plus, Frank at F-S is a top bloke! Customer care goes a loooooong way for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crashtest33 Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 Just out of interest, how and where would an Aluminium outer barrel wear out the stock slide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters jcheeseright Posted April 3, 2016 Supporters Share Posted April 3, 2016 Everywhere the barrel touches the slide. Both at the breech and muzzle area it'll wear the plastic away. Eventually your slide will get so loose it doesn't hold the barrel properly and you'll be wanting a new slide. An aftermarket barrel will also lower the efficiency of the gun as a whole, plastic on plastic is a lot smoother than plastic on metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Admin proffrink Posted April 3, 2016 Root Admin Share Posted April 3, 2016 Just out of interest, how and where would an Aluminium outer barrel wear out the stock slide? Yerp, that aluminium will still win versus your plastic. Was more forward planning for perhaps getting one of the Guarder 7075 slides which are fairly light and can get one comparable performance to the stock ones with the correct spring and propane or a decent green gas (obviously at the cost of slightly higher consumption). If you can do without a flashy outer barrel though you should certainly keep it stock. Rinabow8 is in Hong Kong. UK retailers are good but they will never stock everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crashtest33 Posted April 3, 2016 Author Share Posted April 3, 2016 Cheers Cheesemeister. Plastic on plastic it is (to start with) I'll get my stuff ordered tomorrow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crashtest33 Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 Is there any difference in performance or longevity between the PDI Raven 6.01 and the KM 6.01 electroplated brass barrels? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Admin proffrink Posted April 4, 2016 Root Admin Share Posted April 4, 2016 I'd trust PDI more than I would KM, but I wouldn't imagine so. If you can afford it then spring for the PDI 6.01 steel one though as they do age a bit better. In a pistol though you're not going to notice much of a difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crashtest33 Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 Cool. Ordered my parts. Just waiting for a UAC hammer spring and stainless trigger lever to get in stock. Exciting times. I may have used Rainbow8 for a few bits 🙄 Gonna wait until the right slide and barrel comes along. Scouring Pacific-Asia for a B.T.C Hybrid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters jcheeseright Posted April 4, 2016 Supporters Share Posted April 4, 2016 Hammer Spring? What are you hoping to achieve there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Admin proffrink Posted April 4, 2016 Root Admin Share Posted April 4, 2016 More reliable impact on the higher end green gas in magazines, I'd imagine. The stock ones have been known to only partially actuate the release valves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters jcheeseright Posted April 4, 2016 Supporters Share Posted April 4, 2016 Never happened to me, even when using guarder power up gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Admin proffrink Posted April 4, 2016 Root Admin Share Posted April 4, 2016 ok Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crashtest33 Posted April 4, 2016 Author Share Posted April 4, 2016 Just to give a bit more poke opening the gas valve when using Propane on a hot day. Read on here that it can be an issue?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Root Admin proffrink Posted April 4, 2016 Root Admin Share Posted April 4, 2016 Yep, pretty well documented on the Airsoft Canada thread too as being an issue - short stroking then the entire magazine venting because the hammer isn't reset. A worthwhile upgrade for sure but certainly more of an issue with the metal slides where you're more likely to get the short stroke and vent issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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