Fumps Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Some very good points on here so far and great to read other peoples opinions, everyone has the same opinion, procedures need to be followed & maybe a few attitudes changed. But all show concern for the victim which is the most important thing in my mind anyway. The only time I have ever seen a BB fired in the safe zone at the site I go to (Matlock combat games) it was actually from me: when I first arrived at the site (Luckily I was pretty much the first one there on that day) I connected the battery to my gun & it went off. It was aimed directly at the floor and luckily no one was hurt (well to be accurate no one was there to get hurt) but the first thing I did was explain myself to the organisers & go and see the tech to make sure it never happened again. Ever since if I am checking my gun by dry firing I always point it out of the safe zone or into something that will not deflect the shot (In my garden I have a small bucket full of building sand). I think the barrel sock is a great idea, And have decided to make one in a neon colour so I cant forget it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMcG Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Read this and my thoughts are as follows really It is meant to be the safe zone and the site should enforce that I would hold the site partly responsible if not fully responsible and I say this because of other sites I go to. Epsom ( I know not everyone's cup of tea ) but you were jumped on the second you brought a loaded gun into the safe zone and God help you if you dry fired it in there. He had a simple rule 1 warning break it again and shot in the arse with your own gun, hilarity aside this was very effective and those who did break the rules never did again. The mall marshals as you entered made sure mag was out and had been dry fired wasn't hard to do Blitz cqb again marshals checked for loaded guns as returning to safe zone.. I'm sorry but I don't see how hard it is to make sure patrons clear weapon and take out the mag At the mall the guys even checked my grenade launcher to make sure it was empty. If any of the above was enforced the kid wouldn't be in the situation he is in now. I really hope he is okay in the end it's a horrible thing to have happen at any age but a child well it's truly awful. These are not things to take lightly and can cause great damage when abused, will be interesting to see what happens now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jreacher Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I was at maidenhead on Sunday & witnessed this happen & it wasn't nice ,imo it wasn't the Marshalls fault .I know absolute gets a bad press in some quarters but I must say they have the same rules in place as everywhere else .People are told to take the mags out & dry fire before entering the safe zone ,if kids or anyone else then choose to mess about after that what can you do apart from reprimand or kick them out .Personally I think anyone under age of 16 or rentals should hand thier weapons in before they get to the safe zone .cheers jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jreacher Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Another point is they have the owner fixing guns on site so you do hear dry fireing occasionally. I'm not saying no one dry fires occasionally but it's not allowed & you do get reprimanded for it & on occasion kicked off . Maidenhead is not perfect but you name one place where someone doesn't break the rules ,it happens & in this case in led to a tragic accident .I'm not a member at maidenhead & have nothing to gain from posting on here .I just don't want to see a site closed down through the stupidity of a few individuals. Cheers jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarra333 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I don't think rentals should be singled out for handing weapons in per se. I see plenty of first timers, never been airsofting before in their life - turn up with a two-tone and start wielding it loaded like they're Chuck Norris. Those folks are equally (maybe more) dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jambo88 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 The whole point of this thread was that this occurrence hasn't got anything to do with playing airsoft. Or so I thought? As for rare, in it's context, again this is a unique occurrence. Its got everything to do with playing airsoft. A accident happened at a airsoft site. It's going to make the game seem either unsafe or raise questions about site safety and cause problems for site owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jreacher Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I don't think rentals should be singled out for handing weapons in per se. I see plenty of first timers, never been airsofting before in their life - turn up with a two-tone and start wielding it loaded like they're Chuck Norris. Those folks are equally (maybe more) dangerous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jreacher Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Good point & besides it's easy enough to buy a non 2 tone anyway .I do however think under 16s should be supervised better & should hand in guns before safety zone ,I know it won't stop every one messing about but it would of saved that incident from happening on Sunday & might prevent another .cheers jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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rosco290 Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 Jreacher the incident happened with the lads own gun. A two tone. Also I appreciate what you're saying that the same rules are in place at absolute but they are pretty loosely regulated. I didn't once hear anyone shouting 'no dry firing in the safe zone' which is what I would hear at say lane end for example if someone was doing that. Someone dry fired a few during the safety brief and it didn't come from the direction of the 'shop' either. Obviously you can't hold the site staff wholly responsible for this incident but I felt compared to other places they were pretty relaxed about safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Monkey Nuts Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 (start at 10min for the relivent bit, or 14min for the important bits, but its all interesting perspective) worth a watch, its not entirely relevant and is a long way from any real study (of which there are plenty) but it is interesting to see that although its certainly a bad thing to be shot in the eye, its not as bad as it could be. It doesn't always result in a lossed eye and irreversible blindness. some light reading if you want to learn more: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/?term=eye+airsoft Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jreacher Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Jreacher the incident happened with the lads own gun. A two tone. Also I appreciate what you're saying that the same rules are in place at absolute but they are pretty loosely regulated. I didn't once hear anyone shouting 'no dry firing in the safe zone' which is what I would hear at say lane end for example if someone was doing that. Someone dry fired a few during the safety brief and it didn't come from the direction of the 'shop' either. Obviously you can't hold the site staff wholly responsible for this incident but I felt compared to other places they were pretty relaxed about safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jreacher Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 As it's an on going case I don't feel it right to argue the toss about wether it was a 2 tone or not but I was only feet away & virtually saw what happened. I can't remember whether any Marshalls had a go about dry fireing on that day but I should imagine if they saw anything they would have interveened. I did however hear them say on numerous occasions to take mags out & dry fire before entering the safe zone .I can't compare safety precautions with lane end because of haven't been yet .I'm sure more precautions will put in place to help prevent this from happening again & if not I won't be going again.I allso think this unfortunate & tragic accident could have happened at most sites as kids will be kids .As I said before I know maidenhead has its faults but I don't think it's a particularly unsafe place to play airsoft but appreciate you may feel differently.Ive got my views on who I think was more to blame but considering what's happened I don't feel right at the mo to post them either.cheer jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jreacher Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I remember very well bunking off school with a mate at about 14 ,we met up with his brother who had an air rifle ,to cut a long story short his brother accidently shot him in the eye with it which I can assure you was horrific. As a result my mate returned to school at a later date with a glass eye ,so that's twice I've witnessed someone getting shot in the eye & i truly hope I never see anything of the sort again . Unfortunately this has led me to the opinion kids need complete supervision around any type of gun .cheers jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunmanAirsoft Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I've normally found that people who are used to dicking about with their own Airsoft guns with a couple of mates (usually but not always kids) are the ones who engage in this kind of behaviour when they attend their first couple of organised events. We have banned dry firing in our safe zone ever since an incident where an under 18,used to playing with airsoft guns at home and at his first skirmish, dry fired what he thought was an empty gun in the safe zone. The BB passed between mine and a marshals heads missing both our faces by inches. Needless to say he got a massive shouting at, pointing out the error of his ways and dry firing has been banned since. On reflection it's something we should have banned ages ago and could easily have resulted in an injury. It's tragic that someone has sustained this kind of injury at an organised event, as organised Airsoft events in general have an excellent safety record. I hope that the injured person is able to make a good recovery, no matter what the circumstances, or how easily avoidable this incident was none of us would wish this kind of injury on anyone. Hopefully everyone can take a reminder that airsoft replicas should always be treated with the same respect and safety as the real thing, especially ones that could potentially be classed as air weapons. Let's hope this doesn't end up as a test case where high powered Airsoft sniper rifles are found to be air guns... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aengus Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Yes kids will be kids I guess but as a "kid" I hate your attitude. Yes a lot of us are irresponsible but even then education should be deemed more important than what I consider a light punishment, it's patronising like saying "Son you can play a game with it but you're not responsible so just put it down here love?" If someone said that to me they'd be quickly told to f*ck off. What about gbb users are they supposed to get ready before they hand in their guns or what? Jeez I can't structure writing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skarra333 Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 I remember very well bunking off school with a mate at about 14 ,we met up with his brother who had an air rifle ,to cut a long story short his brother accidently shot him in the eye with it which I can assure you was horrific. As a result my mate returned to school at a later date with a glass eye ,so that's twice I've witnessed someone getting shot in the eye & i truly hope I never see anything of the sort again . Unfortunately this has led me to the opinion kids need complete supervision around any type of gun .cheers jack Not to make light of the situation, but I firmly believe in the rule of 3... Where are you thinking of playing from now on did you say - just out of curiosity? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jreacher Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Skarra333 it's a secret just to keep everyone frosty .cheers jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jreacher Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Yes kids will be kids I guess but as a "kid" I hate your attitude. Yes a lot of us are irresponsible but even then education should be deemed more important than what I consider a light punishment, it's patronising like saying "Son you can play a game with it but you're not responsible so just put it down here love?" If someone said that to me they'd be quickly told to f*ck off. What about gbb users are they supposed to get ready before they hand in their guns or what? Jeez I can't structure writing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jreacher Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Fair point Aengus but I didn't mean to sound condescending.I think the best thing would be perhaps an hours supervised tuition before your allowed to play might be more suitable so there fully aware of the dangers because as you rightly point out some are more mature than others.I allso add it's not only kids this should apply to perhaps anyone new to airsoft .cheers jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supporters Sitting Duck Posted March 22, 2016 Supporters Share Posted March 22, 2016 My final thoughts on this matter - coz nothing is going reverse the terrible incident..... Yes perhaps the site could of done a bit more, I'm sure they are wishing this Yes it happened on their site so they will be looking at a fair bit of blame But tbh - by the sounds of it with the the two kids involved especially the prick who pointed the gun..... This was perhaps an accident just waiting to happen by all accounts.... If dumb ar$e shooter acted like that at a skirmish site then by all accounts he may of been even more stupid plinking in back garden or local woods - jeez NO YOU DO NOT GO TO YOUR LOCAL WOODS BUT THE PRATT PROBABLY OF WOULD OF CONSIDERED IT I would like to think it was one freak stupid thought of "just messing about" - alas with such terrible results Even the parents might be wondering if they did the right thing, if the kids we responsible enough to go anywhere near an airsoft gun There was a clip on TaiwanGun promoting eye pro a while back and an American kid losing an eye from a similar situation in his bedroom but don't think his mate pointed the gun at him. I'll admit I wasn't sure if using a clip to promote eye pro was in good taste but a vivid message was passed on none the less Alas - it always happen to somebody else (we hope), so these messages don't always hit fully home about safety - well this one incident has I think Yes all 3 parties are responsible (probably), including the site that it happened at I'm not sticking up for the site, but on reflection I am left wondering that, to do something so stupid - yes he is just a kid to do something so stupid at a site where there is "some" safety - perhaps it could of been better we tend to think.... But if the shooter has such a lapse approach in the first place then they should not have been anywhere near something like an airsoft gun/skirmish No offense to any younger players, I know plenty of them are very mature and do heed advice & instructions But just thought that this incident could have very likely taken place almost anywhere with the kids involved... Bedroom, garden, woods etc.... - yes the site must have given them a briefing and some instructions I'm fairly sure but if they do not follow them then alas this type of thing is likely to happen sooner or later What a f*cking horrible way for all 3 parties to learn a lesson they all wish never happened Any new young players - please ffs learn from this and follow some simple basic common sense and hopefully not let this happen again - anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosco290 Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 Yes kids will be kids I guess but as a "kid" I hate your attitude. Yes a lot of us are irresponsible but even then education should be deemed more important than what I consider a light punishment, it's patronising like saying "Son you can play a game with it but you're not responsible so just put it down here love?" If someone said that to me they'd be quickly told to f*ck off. What about gbb users are they supposed to get ready before they hand in their guns or what? Jeez I can't structure writing I'm sure a lot of people will agree with me that it's not your age that makes you f*ck about with guns, it's a poor appreciation of the risks associated with all the fancying about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rosco290 Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 Any new young players - please ffs learn from this and follow some simple basic common sense and hopefully not let this happen again - anywhere Well said SD. But I'd extend this to all new players and even the experienced ones who can sometimes become over confident and let their own standards slip (myself included) Seriously considering running a weapons handling/weapon safety course for airsofters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators djben9 Posted March 22, 2016 Moderators Share Posted March 22, 2016 a bit late to the topic and just read the first page and a bit more and such a sad situation for all to have gone through, laptop battery running low.... The 2 sites ive played at so far, UA and Tuddenham, people are always told where they can have their mags in etc, what to do, no dry firing in safe zone and are excellent in the briefing as well as making sure you follow the rules etc, so no complaints there, its taken seriously as its their reputation and livelihoods at stake if all goes wrong No dry firing in car park etc, but i know at UA people do do it a lot, i have as well, twice, but into a coat in my car to test battery, even though I know its empty, no mag ever in gun until chrono'd, then removed, gun emptied, orange cap back on until game time. Even in the safe zones though i feel nervous standing next to someone with their barrel pointing at my face, so i wear my goggles then anyway, you never know what the person may have forgotten.... ok these are 'toys' to some, they should still be treated with the same respect as a firearm in a way. I always have mine pointing to the ground when walking between games, in briefings and in safe zone, discharged and mag out.... edit....read it all now! any update on the kid.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackDragon Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Well said SD. But I'd extend this to all new players and even the experienced ones who can sometimes become over confident and let their own standards slip (myself included) Seriously considering running a weapons handling/weapon safety course for airsofters. NSP's for Airsofting is a great idea. It drummed in the safety aspect for me with a real weapon so why not a RIF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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