Baz JJ

Okto Eight, part of Filmsim Ltd, has taken its operation from Facebook.
The game organiser, which runs military simulation games on the four Gunman Airsoft sites and occasionally on third party sites, has shifted its community to its own website at www.oktoeightmilsim.com and closed its various FB groups.
 
Their only remaining FB presence is the Okto Eight and Bad To The Bone outward-facing pages.
 
They feel that their website offers greater clarity for their players and additional features to suit their needs going forward.

Got My Mk1 CRB. Got to say its everything I hoped in terms of weight, handling and finish.
 
Its stock but with a Raytheon ELCAN added, RVG foregrip and KEYMOD adpter and the plastic flash hider replaced with a metal one.
Also have some new midcaps on order.
 

Initially, I tried to start airsoft with my son, but he kept prevaricating so I went alone in the end. He now has his own rifle and plays very occasionally but Ive just gone on to do it and he comes along if he wants.
 
The other day I suggested I buy his rifle off him because it gets so little use and he started making excuses so there is hope.
 

Initially, I tried to start airsoft with my son, but he kept prevaricating so I went alone in the end. He now has his own rifle and plays very occasionally but Ive just gone on to do it and he comes along if he wants.
 
The other day I suggested I buy his rifle off him because it gets so little use and he started making excuses so there is hope.
 

the amount of furniture you can fit on a general purpose rifle is very varied. It just comes down to what you like. As Samurai said, look on the internet. its a chance to express yourself and make your G26 different to everybody elses.
It amazes me when people say what gun shall I buy, what shall I fit on it. Its one of the few freedoms we have and to me, its one of the most enjoyable parts of guns.
 
Bear in mind, the more you add, the heavier it will be to lug round all game.
 
Personally, I love suppressors - have them on nearly every SMG and rifle. I especially like those that look like suppressors but make the noise louder.
 
Just check what thread you have i.e. CW or CCW and make sure you order the right one.

Lifelong involvement with guns.
 
Discovered airsoft late in life and found it a good way to get fresh air and exercise.
 
Quickly got disenchanted with skirmishing and as soon as I got a UKARA defence and my first RIFs, started moving into milsims.
 
As to not being nerdy, its probably not, but be sparing with who you tell.
 
Most non-airsofters either think you're sad or a homicidal maniac.

oh there is bud, dont worry.

Lifelong involvement with guns.
 
Discovered airsoft late in life and found it a good way to get fresh air and exercise.
 
Quickly got disenchanted with skirmishing and as soon as I got a UKARA defence and my first RIFs, started moving into milsims.
 
As to not being nerdy, its probably not, but be sparing with who you tell.
 
Most non-airsofters either think you're sad or a homicidal maniac.

They have for me so far, but what do you have to lose?

If you are selling a secondhand RIF to a stranger, how do you check their UKARA status ?
I appreciate they can give you their UKARA number but unless youre a retailer, how do you verify its current ?

Yeah well had to consider my answer carefully didn't I.
 
No, stumbled across it trying to negotiate three years worth of supplier reviews which aren't in alphabetical order.
Couldn't resist.

Lifelong involvement with guns.
 
Discovered airsoft late in life and found it a good way to get fresh air and exercise.
 
Quickly got disenchanted with skirmishing and as soon as I got a UKARA defence and my first RIFs, started moving into milsims.
 
As to not being nerdy, its probably not, but be sparing with who you tell.
 
Most non-airsofters either think you're sad or a homicidal maniac.

I cant help but notice that the various suppliers of airsoft kit all supply the same stuff.
Apart from a slight variation of a few pounds in price and varying stock levels, it amazes me that traders dont put a lot of value added in their wares.
 
Reading about how to protect a tactical torch by getting your own piece of plastic just now on here and buying a quite expensive ELCAN optic the other day and struggling to find a kill flash for it, it amazes me that UK suppliers dont join up the dots.
 
No wonder players buy things overseas as the UK companies offer exactly the same thing only dearer.
 
I paid just under a hundred pounds for an optic then about £15 for a killflash from a separate supplier, then discovered the thread was non compatible.
 
Why would a supplier sell an expensive optic like that and not consider offering an optional killflash that fits it. I would happily have paid them the £15 for a guaranteed compatibility (the kf was about £9 and the rest was zero ones excessive p&p). Its got to be more economic to solves these problems at retail source in quantity rather than letting each customer solve his own problem.
 
The amount of money Ive wasted in compatibility experiments.
 
Another value added prospect is offering an EoTech and Magnifier that actually line up. How often have I read players complaining about this.
 
I asked one UK supplier if they sold BCM Gunfighter foregrips and got a curt NO.
Searching on their website a bit more, I found a replica clone that I would have happily bought had he said, no we cant get the originals outside the US but we offer this clone etc.

A lot of the time retailers wouldn't know or care about compatibility, like baz mentioned I have seen plenty of websites not just airsoft ones list the bare minimum of info clearly copied and pasted from a foreign manufacturer as spelling and wording makes little sense (much like my posts) with an almost disregard to the item itself. It does make me think I dont want the item as often it doesn't tell you what you need to know.
And yeah we could ask them, but many a time its some numpty with no clue telling you to refer to the description or unable to find out as they dont speak Chinese.
 
I guess thats why sites such as uktactical do so well as instead of stocking the same old from everyone else and having a crappy website chocked full of random parts with no info (wolf armouries) they do a limited selection and do it well.

The closest Ive come to any joined up thinking is Airsoft World who do put some notes on their products, to guide, which at least shows some level of thought. Mind you, I did buy a short grenade launcher from them, only to find it didnt allow TAG rounds to load and I had to get the long one.
 
I told AW about this so they could put a warning note on to save people making the same mistake but they havent, which is silly especially when they are TAG distributors.
 
Ive come to the conclusion that a lot of the airsoft industry is still developing from a hobbyist make and mend stage and has a lot of growing up to do.
 
A lot of the things Ive mentioned dont cost anything in real terms but require a little thought and care. If a retailer sells a x4 flip down magnifier and a range of EoTech clone holographic sights, how hard is it to put a note on the magn to say this will line up with product X, Y and Z. I have to believe that suppliers dont care enough because they are already selling.
 
It just needs an entrepreneur to sweep the board and differentiate themselves.
 
When you buy online, you lose certain abilities to visually check stuff and interact with a knowledgeable sales person and although You Tube reviews are often useful, I dont think UK retailers of parts and accessories do enough. Fair enough on a £10 item, but one supplier is selling a £175 optic with nothing more than some words copied off the makers website. I would expect a bit more input otherwise I might as well buy it in Hong Kong and take a risk at less £££s. I wouldnt mind but the UK trade complain that players buying abroad are killing the UK retail. If they dont use their position to advantage, what do they expect ?

The closest Ive come to any joined up thinking is Airsoft World who do put some notes on their products, to guide, which at least shows some level of thought. Mind you, I did buy a short grenade launcher from them, only to find it didnt allow TAG rounds to load and I had to get the long one.
 
I told AW about this so they could put a warning note on to save people making the same mistake but they havent, which is silly especially when they are TAG distributors.
 
Ive come to the conclusion that a lot of the airsoft industry is still developing from a hobbyist make and mend stage and has a lot of growing up to do.
 
A lot of the things Ive mentioned dont cost anything in real terms but require a little thought and care. If a retailer sells a x4 flip down magnifier and a range of EoTech clone holographic sights, how hard is it to put a note on the magn to say this will line up with product X, Y and Z. I have to believe that suppliers dont care enough because they are already selling.
 
It just needs an entrepreneur to sweep the board and differentiate themselves.
 
When you buy online, you lose certain abilities to visually check stuff and interact with a knowledgeable sales person and although You Tube reviews are often useful, I dont think UK retailers of parts and accessories do enough. Fair enough on a £10 item, but one supplier is selling a £175 optic with nothing more than some words copied off the makers website. I would expect a bit more input otherwise I might as well buy it in Hong Kong and take a risk at less £££s. I wouldnt mind but the UK trade complain that players buying abroad are killing the UK retail. If they dont use their position to advantage, what do they expect ?

No I think youve misunderstood me. Im not saying UK stockists should hold everything. My point is that I would pay a premium to buy an optic with a killflash that fitted it, rather than having to source them separately and a) run the risk of incompatibility b ) end up having to spend an hour filing to get it to fit. In fact, Id accept a more limited selection for these kind of guaranteed pairings.
 
Perhaps many airsofters enjoy adapting things to fit. I can see the attraction if there is a huge financial saving, but paying a UK premium and then still having to adapt and overcome doesnt make a lot of sense to me.

I cant help but notice that the various suppliers of airsoft kit all supply the same stuff.
Apart from a slight variation of a few pounds in price and varying stock levels, it amazes me that traders dont put a lot of value added in their wares.
 
Reading about how to protect a tactical torch by getting your own piece of plastic just now on here and buying a quite expensive ELCAN optic the other day and struggling to find a kill flash for it, it amazes me that UK suppliers dont join up the dots.
 
No wonder players buy things overseas as the UK companies offer exactly the same thing only dearer.
 
I paid just under a hundred pounds for an optic then about £15 for a killflash from a separate supplier, then discovered the thread was non compatible.
 
Why would a supplier sell an expensive optic like that and not consider offering an optional killflash that fits it. I would happily have paid them the £15 for a guaranteed compatibility (the kf was about £9 and the rest was zero ones excessive p&p). Its got to be more economic to solves these problems at retail source in quantity rather than letting each customer solve his own problem.
 
The amount of money Ive wasted in compatibility experiments.
 
Another value added prospect is offering an EoTech and Magnifier that actually line up. How often have I read players complaining about this.
 
I asked one UK supplier if they sold BCM Gunfighter foregrips and got a curt NO.
Searching on their website a bit more, I found a replica clone that I would have happily bought had he said, no we cant get the originals outside the US but we offer this clone etc.

I cant help but notice that the various suppliers of airsoft kit all supply the same stuff.
Apart from a slight variation of a few pounds in price and varying stock levels, it amazes me that traders dont put a lot of value added in their wares.
 
Reading about how to protect a tactical torch by getting your own piece of plastic just now on here and buying a quite expensive ELCAN optic the other day and struggling to find a kill flash for it, it amazes me that UK suppliers dont join up the dots.
 
No wonder players buy things overseas as the UK companies offer exactly the same thing only dearer.
 
I paid just under a hundred pounds for an optic then about £15 for a killflash from a separate supplier, then discovered the thread was non compatible.
 
Why would a supplier sell an expensive optic like that and not consider offering an optional killflash that fits it. I would happily have paid them the £15 for a guaranteed compatibility (the kf was about £9 and the rest was zero ones excessive p&p). Its got to be more economic to solves these problems at retail source in quantity rather than letting each customer solve his own problem.
 
The amount of money Ive wasted in compatibility experiments.
 
Another value added prospect is offering an EoTech and Magnifier that actually line up. How often have I read players complaining about this.
 
I asked one UK supplier if they sold BCM Gunfighter foregrips and got a curt NO.
Searching on their website a bit more, I found a replica clone that I would have happily bought had he said, no we cant get the originals outside the US but we offer this clone etc.

Hi-caps = easy to load +, need winding -ve, carry more bbs, rattle when you move -ve
 
Mid caps = need some firm of speed loader -ve, silent +ve, give you more realistic mag changes if partially loaded
 
Mid caps can leave you at a disadvantage when skirmishing as you are changing mags far more often than a high capper but in a milsim, most games prohibit high caps.
 
The choice is yours.

the other angle with renting for your first three games is you can try different rental guns to see how you get on.
Many sites have two or three models to try.

So you bought a two tone airsoft weapon and they sent you a defective black RIF in the wrong box, which looked secondhand ?
 
and you took five weeks to contact them ?

So you bought a two tone airsoft weapon and they sent you a defective black RIF in the wrong box, which looked secondhand ?
 
and you took five weeks to contact them ?

So you bought a two tone airsoft weapon and they sent you a defective black RIF in the wrong box, which looked secondhand ?
 
and you took five weeks to contact them ?

So you bought a two tone airsoft weapon and they sent you a defective black RIF in the wrong box, which looked secondhand ?
 
and you took five weeks to contact them ?