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@Sambo - I used to suffer with this loads in my youth, so I feel for you. I won't cover what the others have. It's already good advice What I will say is: Remember that you will have paid exactly the same money as everyone else that day, to turn up and shoot BBs at people. Do not let them intimidate you, try to boss you around (You get the fat old guys barking orders sometimes, just ignore them), or try and single you out for having a Two-tone gun. Everyone is equal once you've paid your fees for the day. One thing that used to make my anxiety bad when I was younger was not knowing what will happen. Not knowing how each part of the day will pan out, if I'd never experienced it before (Part of the reason I fucking hate surprises - my missus hates it :D) Hopefully, if I write out what to expect, it might put your mind at rest. So let's give it a go - going to be a bit of a long read I'm afraid. Arrive on site and get your stuff out the boot Walk into the safezone and find a table/bench/area to set up for the day (try and pick something under cover in case it pisses down) (This is where I like to try and eyeball where the toilets are so you can find them confidently later, as if you've been here hundreds of times before) Dump all your stuff on said table Look out for the main desk/booth where you sign in and pay and walk over. "Is this where I pay?" / "Yes Mate, just sign in here" - and you sign your name, signature, and some sites even Registration of your car if necessary. When you're signing in/paying, maybe mention to the guy/girl at the desk that it's your first time ever, and that you might need some pointers etc. If it's a good site, they'll keep an eye out for you. Go back to your table and open your case (Remember: Do not ever put magazines in your guns in the safezone). And start filling your magazines with BBs, wind them up in advance if they're hi-caps. Get ready as though you're about to go out into the game Unfortunately, this is the boring bit, if you get there early enough to get a good table, you're in for a wait of about 45-60 minutes until game time Go to the sign-in desk and buy a drink / make a coffee. Try to relax and take your mind off the anxiety, maybe strike up conversation with the guy next to you, explain it's your first game ever and he'll probably ask how you got on after each game Then eventually it's the safety brief. The head marshal will ask everyone to gather round and they'll give a 10 minute (ish) speech on the safety rules for that particular site, dos and don'ts basically. Some sites will detail about what grenades they allow all that - to be honest the safety brief is pretty boring, but it's mandatory and you've got to stand through it whether it's your first time or your 100th. Just keep looking the dude in the eye and nod in agreement when he looks your way BUT try to pay attention for your first ever one He'll probably then say "Right, five minutes until we head out!" (as if you've not had long enough already) Get yourself kitted up, vest on, with mags in the pouches, get your gun and get your mask When you're in the game area your mask or eye protection stays on all the time. Don't try and remove it, or lift one corner out of the way to wipe fog away. Just don't risk it Head out for the first game by following the crowd. Usually the first game at a lot of sites is a faster, more fun orientated game, in order to get everyone started happy and get the blood pumping. After the game is finished, you'll trudge back to the safe zone, hopefully happy and with a few kills under your belt. There'll be maybe another 2 or 3 games and then you stop for lunch. Eat your lunch (Site provided pork foam and foreskin sausages in a dry bun - Nice!) Then you'll head out for 2 or 3 more games before you're told it's the end of the day and you can pack up I won't cover what game modes to expect because each site does it differently. Lots of places like a Attack & Defend timed game, where one team will push back the other on set route until you have a final showdown at a fort, or a building or something. Then the teams are reversed and you have to beat the previous attacker's time etc I will say this, no one cares who wins. No one is tallying up whether the blue team does better than red for example. Nobody cares. Everyone is there to play Tactical Hide and Seek with toy guns. It's Laser quest for grown ups. It's Cowboys and Indians for kids who never decided to be sensible. It is fun! Sorry it's a bit of a long post (Usually @Sitting Duck's forte!) but I hope it helps. Like I mentioned, I used to get so hung up of not knowing what to expect that it ruined a lot of stuff for me as a kid - so hopefully this helps!

wait, it's possible to win in airsoft!? this, for example they might be a first time player such as yourself who's borrowing a bunch of kit from a mate who plays. goddamnit, you're not supposed to tell him that, where am i gonna get my meat sheild willing volunteers from now?

Its also worth bearing in mind that airsoft, unlike say school, or work is a pretty "safe space" to meet new people and just do things without any fear of fucking up. I think most of us can think of opportunities we've missed because we were either too anxious, un-confident, or just straight up scared. There's much less to go wrong when it comes to airsoft (socially speaking that is, soooo many things can go wrong with your kit but that's another subject!) Personally I'd rather just go and meet people when i get there. Trying to arrange a "date" with some prospective friends would freak me out completely! Making friends through hobbies is also just very, very useful in the long term. It doesn't have to be airsoft. A lot of the time - we make friends because we're all lumped together in a class room or an office and you find people you like and people you don't and you take it from there. But you leave school, and pensions allowing, you stop work and I think that is where some people go: "...fuck".

Nah that's just a myth, the only winners are the retailers 😏 Airsoft mirrors life, in the end, no one gets out alive 😂

You're overthinking in mate. It's far less like being part of a proper army than you think. Bear in mind a significant amount of people there are kids or general new players and 99% of the rest haven't served in a real army. Plus most of the time teams are very disorganised and you're all just trying to achieve the objective in your own way. There are no officers barking orders that you need to follow.

for years i was known as "f2000 guy". i'd recount the times when having the more expensive toy gnu failed to prevent me getting shot, but it's happened so often i can't remember any more. pretty sure i got killed by a nerf gun once. i do remember a mate did once managed to get a "grenade" kill with a fudge bar. its also worth noting that for the most part, just because a given gun is expensive doesn't guarantee that it performs well at the fundamental task of slinging plastic downrange, a lesson i wish i hadn't learned the hard way.

Oh fuck, aye.. I somehow forgot about Covid 19! Swap the part about looking for a table, to "Work from the boot of your car!"

Good post Lewis, The only thing I'll comment on is the safe zone may be treated differently now. Some sites will ask you to use your car as your bench for kit so you only go into the site to register and then play. I like that so you can lock things up when you're away playing.

Ignore the suppressor, it was all I had to hand as the customer didn't send the muzzle break. Another Tokyo Marui 416D Krytac LOVA, love how this turned out. Also my favorite photos Annnnnd another Tokyo Marui 416D. This one had seen better days paint wise so it was a case of trying to improve things and give it a new lease of life.

dressed as=/=as effective as, especially in woodland red tends to stand out lol. was pretty funny, although he did say he regretted it by the end of the day being covered in bramble scratches and nettle stings. stupid stuff like this is one of the things i love about this hobby, for example we once started playing rick astley in the middle of a gunfight and everyone started singing and dancing to it, somehow we even managed to hold our ground for the duration as well... end of the day it's just a bunch of (mostly) grown men doing stupid shit in the name of a good time.

Easier said than done but just get the first game out the way and you'll likely wonder why you ever worried in the first place. Let's be honest about all the guys who "look the part" 1) They're not elite soldiers, they're the same as you, just a few thousand pounds more invested in this game than you. Certainly doesn't make them better than you though. 2) They're too busy gushing over the latest tweak they've done to their equipment (or desperately trying to fix it), to look down on you for how you're dressed. 3) Most of them are actually friendly enough and will happily give advice etc if you need it. Afterall, we all started where you are now.

I get very anxious about all sorts of things that I know I shouldn't but that doesn't help. I was lucky that I knew a few people that played and they just kept my right on my first day. After that first day however they don't play very often and I wanted more so I went on my own. I've met 3 or 4 people from this forum at my local site now and played with and against them ( how many TRMRs does one man need?!?). They are all very nice and helpful. Just show up early watch where people go and do the same. Listen to what site staff say they will keep you right. If your unsure about something just ask them for clarrification instead of getting anxious about it. Same goes for any worries in your head right now just email the site if you have any questions or worries and they will probably clear them up for you. It's not like a school where people are trying to make fun of each other to put people down. Everyone is there to shoot at each other and will shoot you the same in camo or a superhero costume. If you are worried about your gun failing you just spend the extra get a rental package so you have a backup to use should yours not perform on the day. There is a rule that 1 is none and 2 is 1 but most airsofters think they need a full armoury. If you do this and you have any issues with the rental gun speak to a marshal if they don't resolve it ask to speak to the head marashall. You paid for a working rental gun and your expereince will very much be effected by something jamming or not feeding. You just need to be logical about the cause for the aniexty and try to even write them down. The more you understand them the more you can do to resolve them. So if your worried about what your are wearing then me telling you no one cares isn't going to help much but you could get some surplus kit and "blend in". It won't make a difference to what people think but if it helps you then there is no harm. Don't spend too much on this kit despite what people say you will still rip it on a fence or tree branch or something eventually so don't spend crazy money. https://www.militarykit.com/products/british-army-mtp-warm-weather-combat-trousers-used?variant=7333532270650 https://www.militarykit.com/products/british-army-pcs-mtp-ubacs-shirt-olive-used?variant=23685220630586 Another thing to keep in mind is that while not everyone says they have aniexty almost everyone does so there is no shame in it. Often you find people who appear to have none have the most.

basically all aeg's are functionally a 20+year old design, doesn't make them bad, and from what i've seen of the guts of the new fancy re-designs with rumble packs and proprietory parts i'd rather stick with the tried and proven systems. there's a bunch of options, although as skara suggests if it's your only gun then you should strongly consider sending to a reputable tech rather than have a go yourself. have a look here to familiarise yourself with the clockwork nightmare that is the guts of an airsoft gun: afaik ics stock internals are meant to be pretty good, probably just a clean up and sort the air seal job. skara is on the money that a gate warfet would give a nice boost in trigger response, although installation does require soldering. are you playing indoors or outdoors? that'll affect what you want to be focusing on

whats wrong with traccys? honestly it doesn't matter what you're wearing, sure camo helps in woodland but you see people turning up wearing all sorts, this is a sport where you can see an extra from enemy at the gates teaming up with deadpool to take out an indian cheif. if you play as honestly and fairly as you can (call hits, don't hose everyone you see on auto etc) that will make more of an impression than the colour of your gat.

yes and no. basically your bb will never have more energy than it does at the muzzle (for the sake of argument lets say 1.3j) and point blank it should hit as hard wether it's a .12 or a .48 everything else being equal. a heavier bb when span up by the hop unit has a lower velocity for the same energy. however it doesn't slow down as quick so carries its energy better and as such hits a bit harder at range. you also get the side benefits of being less affected by wind/leaves etc. generally i find for an assault gun style of role outdoors roundabout the .3g range is a nice balance of cost/performance, so you're off to a good start. if you want the long winded explanation then here's some light reading:

That's exactly what it is, a game. Some people do enjoy taking it quite seriously, and that's absolutely fine, but you don't have to take them seriously, or play the same way. There really are folk (self included) who play in what can only be described as costumes. And nobbers get filtered out, there's no room for them. As Musica noted, we had a guy at our local site who took it too seriously. Not a bad chap, he just got specially excited at a special event, grabbed another player to get his number and that was it, kicked off site and banned. If you go looking for them, you'll find loads of "AIRSOFTER FLIPS OUT" clickbait videos, but those are mostly in the USA where they do things a bit differently. Likewise the sniper headshot tosh that's going around, this is the exception, not the rule. In general, you'll find people laughing with each other a lot more than shouting at each other. You should be fine if you've bought from a half decent UK retailer. 0.28g is a good shout for woodland - just check if your site requires you to use biodegradable BBs, and how they want you to demonstrate that. I seem to recall one site saying that they expect you to open a new bottle or bag of BBs each day to try and ensure that you're not filling a bio container with non-bio BBs. As @L3wisD noted, many (but not all) sites will want to put some of their 0.2g BBs into your mag for chrono. Ask on the day what they expect. If they chrono with their own BBs, then when you're going to chrono, either bring an empty mid cap, or fill a hi-cap with your BBs, but don't wind it up yet - they'll put their 0.2gs "down the spout", then you wind it up. Another thing to add to your first day itinerary will be to let them know at sign-in that it's your gun's first day too and ask if you can get it chronoed sooner rather than later. There will generally be a marshal or another player who can dig out a chrono and do that, and help you set up the hop. Really, airsofters love to help out.

If you can afford it, its worth getting a chronograph so you don't have to faff on site or worst case, possibly not be able to play if your gun is too hot

Legend!! Your comment has really helped alot. I think your right, it's the not knowing but what you've put has helped tremendously. It's a same none of the people above play/live in or near Sheffield. You've all made me feel welcome and I cant say thank you too you all enough. But thank you for you time to write all that. It means more then you think. Thank you 🤝😁

You will also have to get your gun chrono'd to check it is within site limits . That normally happens before the safety brief . All straight forward, line up, when its your turn fire 2 or 3 shots through the chrono either using the supplied .20 BBs or tell them the weight you are using. They check the power output and you are good to go.

My revisions say the same on their 'instruction' manual as i think my ESS ones do as wel, ,its the get out clause you know they should be safe

Bounding overwatch, fire-and-movement, whatever the latest tacticool term is. Moving in co-ordination with others, you move while they fire, then they move while you fire, usually with lots of shouting of "Move up! Move up!" from folk with all the gear 10 metres behind you, but with very little movement from them. Some folk love the full Shouty McDrillsergeant experience, some like to sneak around on the flanks, it's all good. You play your way. The first day I played (rental, solo, awkward, lost, not knowing what I was doing) there was a mad lad running around in a pretty decent Deadpool costume having a blast. That's what convinced me that airsoft is a broad church. You can have fun doing whatever you want to do, whether that's a stitch-counter impression kit, generic camo, trackies, speedsofting or LARPing. The BBs don't care, we're all equal once we're hit. It does help to have a spotter looking from the side to see where the BBs start dropping - just a tiny bit of tuning on the hop can add several metres to your effective range. Great, I'm glad we can help. You'll find folk like us at every airsoft site. Yes, there will be groups in camo with matching patches acting like they're a unit going on deployment to Helmand, there will also be some quiet folk just getting on with setting up their guns and mags who will be more than happy to have a chat and show you the ropes.

Before I had anything I went to watch but chickened out as I watch everyone walking in all like best mates. I just felt like the odd one out. But now I have a gun ( I need some other stuff aswell) I might pop up like you say but I'll call them 1st to make sure it's ok for me to watch or just come say hi. Thank you for you comment. It means alot. 👍😁 It's nice to know that people are saying the same, people that go to it are really nice people. I u7that there may be a few that spoil it but it's nice to know majority are kind and friendly people. It's also nice to know that it's not just me that started on his own lol Thank you 🤝 I get you. I guess that im used to people been awkward just generally in the streets ( what you looking at? kinda thing ) but I'm overwhelmed how friendly everyones response is. I'll have a read through your thread shortly. Thank you for your kind words 👍🤝😁 Thank you for the boost of confidence. I imagine that once you've been it's like riding a bike. Is it open at the moment with this covid going about? I imagine everyone is like 2 meters apart anyway behind a wall so it should be open? Really thank you. Hope to have a game one day with you🤔😁👍 I think you've knocked it on the head there. It's like moving to a new school. I like that terminology. I guess I just need to learn the lingo and I shouldnt be to much of a newbie lol Thank you man 🤝👍

Is it ineffective now? Can you clarify exactly what you mean by that? Are there side-to-side flex? Excessive slack before you get any tension on it? Does it not fire consistently when you pull it? Well, there's a can of worms. If you just want a bit more than stock, I'd go with a motor like this: https://www.ak2m4.co.uk/internal-parts/motors-parts/gp-16tpa-motor-long running on a 7.4V lipo. But many, many other options and opinions are available. You can go with a high speed motor, you can change the gears, but as above, once you open the gearbox, you can find yourself with no working gun pretty quickly. Without opening the gearbox, you can fit a tighter bore barrel which might (hop rubber and air seal allowing) give you a boost. ZCI offer good value for money, although the range is limited just now because of shipping issues. Fortunately, AK2M4 has just got some back in stock, https://www.ak2m4.co.uk/internal-parts/inner-barrels?manufacturer_filter=15 and I believe (but check yourself!) that your stock barrel is 229mm. Now, you can go longer as you have a suppressor, but you won't necessarily get any more power or accuracy from it. Really, no joke, barrel length just isn't that important in airsoft. Anything over 200mm is good for getting 350fps - I just got 374fps from a 229mm ZCI barrel, an M100 spring and a good air seal, and had to go down to an M90 spring to get it down to 340fps. I fit 50 or 60 degree Maple Leaf hop rubbers, but cheaper ones work as well. The best thing you can do for reliability is to not open the gearbox. If you do, I'd radius the front of the gearbox. You can also fit a sorbo pad, although I don't bother. Both are shown here: Once you're in there, you'll want to check the piston air seal and lube and/or stretch and/or replace the piston o-ring: YouTube and Google will help with that. You can also wire it for a mosfet while you're in there, which is a whole topic to itself. The only real reasons to go in there for maintenance purposes though are: check and improve the air seal if your fps is way down and you can't sort it from outside the gearbox; or if you suspect that your trigger contacts are badly worn and need replaced. Really though: if it ain't broke, don't fix it, or at least not until you have a working backup gun. What I did on my MP5K was to fit a very small rubber o-ring onto the fire selector, to pull the other side tight against the casing and engage it in the detents. I'm not sure what size, maybe 3mm ID x 1mm, I just pulled it from a box of assorted o-rings. The other thing that MP5s suffer from is sloppy hop units. I'm not sure if yours is set with rotating lever on top of it, or a foward-and-backwards slide. Either way, they're prone to moving: If you have a lever with that issue, I'd shim it out to make it a tight interference fit, or (quite seriously) get it set then tape it in place. If you have a slide-style adjuster, put a ruber O-ring around both it and the barrel, or cable tie it to the barrel, in order to hold it in place. And I'll say it again for luck: motor, barrel, hop rubber first. I would not open the gearbox until you have a backup gun ready.

Hmmm the reason I can't be arsed trying anything else is because my dye is so good. But Roger is right ventalation is the only way to go if you want to use something else. The inherint problem with low profile eye protection is less air between your eyes and the lenses.

It'll be the Man on the Clapham Omnibus standard. If a typical non-expert member of the public would look at the thing that you're selling and think that it's a real firearm, then it's a realistic imitation firearm. Of course, that test isn't applied. You get experts arguing over what non-experts would think, which makes it a rather silly standard. But notionally, that's it. A bare receiver, no. A complete firehawk, yes. But the OP is absolutely fine to sell parts.

It may be old, but it's good. What we really need is pictures of the gearbox, preferably open If that mp5 is your only gun, I'd honestly just hand it to a tech. Anyway, depending on the internals conditions you may just want to clean it up and reapply some lube here and there. I'd also get a mosfet (no need for those fancy £130+ ones, a GATE Warfet gives plenty of options for customization and doesn't require any sticker in your gearbox), it'll improve the trigger response by miles, other than protecting the trigger contacts from arcing if you use high voltage batteries. New hop rubber maybe? The ICS I had was kinda meh, it gave good seal but couldn't really lift anything past .25s FPS depends on what you're getting atm, if you're clocking at 330 there's no need to push for 350 as the range/consistency difference is negligible. Higher RPM, if you have the turbo3000 motor, chuck it away as hard as possible and put something better in it (idk, a Lonex A1/A2)

+10 or so to the above. Airsoft really is a welcoming hobby. Most players are self-selected to be fair, friendly and level headed sorts. I have some social anxiety, I'm sure a fair number of us do, but I promise you, once you step on site and start talking to folk about their guns and gear, you'll quickly find that you're among a like minded group of people. You can play bound and cover with folk, you can slope off and hide in the bushes, it's all good, you'll find a way to enjoy it. Just give it a go, you won't regret it.

Good on you for posting on here, it’s a great first step and I can’t recommend this forum enough for good advice. To echo what has already been said you’ll be glad to know that the games are full of the same calibre (sorry for the pun) of people and as mentioned in another thread if you’re going on your own it won’t be long before you’re chatting to everyone and playing alongside people. I go alone as I’m in the same boat as you - no mates that like airsoft and if you were in the south then you’d be more than welcome to join me (though I tend to slow people down with my questionable fitness! 😂 Don’t be put off by anything, it’s a great sport packed with fun and what’s even better - it’s for everyone. Get stuck in. Enjoy!

I made a thread a few days ago about going to my first game solo. Depending on how well (hungover) I feel on Saturday morning, I may end up going by myself. I joined a running club a few years ago and attended that by myself, I was nervous at first but everyone was there for the same reason. To run and have a natter and eat biscuits afterwards. Same with the classic mini scene that I used to be a bit more involved in. I went to meets by myself, made friends and joined a club because we all had that one interest in common. I'm sure the same will go with Airsoft! It's not as if your going to turn up by yourself and someone's going to try and shoot yo........

Like others have said, just do it. I know it's easier said than done, but I knew 0 people who were interested in airsoft so went to a few games alone and met a bunch of weirdos who I now speak to all the time and go to games with regularly. It's an inclusive bunch, generally speaking. 👍

seriously, it's pretty hard to pluck up the courage, especially if you're striking out for the first time on your own, but there's no other way around it than to just get up and go play. pretty sure we've all been there at one time or another, just part of life.

the only sales restrictions are on complete RIFs there are no restrictions on selling parts.

Now that's how you handle customer relations. The first rule of airsoft is "don't be a dick, just play the game". If you want to argue the toss on whether you're being a dick, you're probably being a dick.

I started airsoft about 20 years ago, I used to muck about with some friends with springer pistols and SMG in some waste ground near where we lived. All fun and games till armed response tipped up one day, they were really cool about it (wouldn't be today) the cops were muckin about plinkin at each other with "guns" The police gave us a stern talking to, and sent us on our way, thats when we started looking for a site to play on, we finally found Pheonix, went a few times, then changed to Free Fire Zone because it was closer. after a while we formed a team of like minded Milsim types, and played for a few years at a couple of big games around the country (Copehill down, SWAT over in Wales) loved it, we finally drifted apart, I hadn't played for about 12 years, till I got dragged back into by my best mate (used to be on the team with us) happy times. Photos courtesy of our old team captain.

Let me know if you do want to part with it. Not sure what I'd do with it though. Probably sit in its box! As for value.. no idea. Hard to price something like that. Edit: Its a rifle that featured in the PC Game "Gadget Trial" The M16 upper has been converted to take the frame of the bodykit as the forward assist wont fit. http://www.poseidon.co.jp/2F/raisen/rai_1.html

Looks good though

Aye, it’s the bottom option on the Submit Advert drop down menu.

Youll get your christmas prezzy in that 😂

Oh I never thought about that. I've been using 28g bbs. But I have no idea on the power but it leaves a sting when you've just got a shirt on from 10 metres away lol but thank you 🤝

I turned up to one game dressed like a French peasant from Allo Allo and a chap used to play at our local dressed like a western gun slinger , I' ve also played in jeans and cargos . Its all good, wear anything you like , we are all playing dress up and running around shooting each other with our toy guns 🤣 And god only knows how many times I've been shot by bright blue or bright green guns !

Mine was very cheap (£20!). And I'm really happy with mine. https://www.weapon762.com/belt-and-suspenders/2050-tmc-175-inch-shuto-tactical-belt-metal-buckle-version.html It doesn't have the MOLLE all the way round to the front on one side though as you can see where my USP is. But, it puts the holster at a good "3 o'clock" on my hip, and I wouldn't put pouches in front of it anyway.

I prefer it. You get a stronger and more direct pull, and can "point shoot", literally pointing your index finger at your doomed victim. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Point_shooting It was taught as a technique into the early 20th century but has fallen out of favour because of fairly obvious issues with blowback slides, and with trigger discipline, as covered here: http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/Aveni/Vermont_Technique.htm

Well I must admit the hardest part is getting out my vehicle once I'm there. People look like army guys/women and all look the part and I'm turning up in trackys and on my tod. The other thing is that my gun it blue like a smurf and I dont know if it's all set up right. I've set the scope up to be able to hit a clothes line pole and the bottom of my garden from my lounge( about just over 10 metres), but on the videos I watch it looks like a need to set a bigger distance. Your words help a lot and talking to everyone is helping a lot thank you and I got some good walking boots thank you lol I feel like your words help me more than the video lol but it was kinda funny to watch 😁 thank you Ps I'm just driving to work so I will reply to everyone shortly. Thank tho to everyone 🤝

I've made a 3d printed lightweight bbu for the cz75 and it's insane:

I'm hoping these last me a similar length of time !!

I guess that the offender really pissed this guy off to get banned. After all, it's his site and he can do whatever he wants with it, if he deemed the guy to be a thundercunt, he did the right thing imo. It's better to have fewer people who can have a good time together rather than accepting even the worst of the worst for the sake of profit.

Daewoo K-2 manufactured by Toystar This is the service rifle of Republic of Korea It's just a plastic springer now, but I'll convert to AEG someday PVS-14 ( Instead of PVS-04K ) with Aimpoint M4s ( Instead of PVS-11K )

Agreed, i can see why youd want to not instantly delete ads but the current way leads to many instances of "oooh shiny aww sold"