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Well, thats another quarantine project done. Introducing the HK 417a2. It started life as two G28s; G28 LE #227 and G28 standard #IDontCareEnoughToCheck. #227 was my original G28 LE that Ive had for awhile, but it just kind of sat around as it was heavy, loud, and comparatively ineffective at range compared to my other DMRs. I wanted to upgrade it, but I wasn't sure what to do. Then comes the standard. I bought the standard off a secondhand airsoft app in November of 2019. It was a bastardization of a 417 and G28 - G28 receivers, grip, and outer barrel, but 417 buffer tube, stock, and rail. I didnt really care as it was dirt cheap and already had some decent upgrades in it. Turns out I should have cared, as not a month later the lower receiver cracked. Real bad. It may be repairable but itll be obvious. So I was left with a semi-upgraded but broken G417 and a stock G28 LE. Now, between these two I built a 417 for a mate. I believe I posted it here, but it involved making a custom fitting to mount a PTS UBR stock to it. I looks good, and works well. It also gave me some experience building 417s that I didn't have before, and it gave me an appreciation for the "Battle Rifle" class of weapon. Essentially, a BR is a carbine-length DMR. This would include short-barreled AR-10s, Scar mk17s, etc. In airsoft you follow rifleman rules. It just looks fancier. Around this time I started toying with the idea of creating my own BR, but in typical Spaz fashion it had to kind of stand out. Knowing how much of a pain VFC mk17s are to upgrade, I shied away from them, but 417s are expensive, with an approx $450 price tag. Add in the $500ish in internals I would have to do to field it and things weren't looking too good on that front either... Plus, there arent many aftermarket externals for the VFC 417s, and my squadmate already runs the one I built him. Then this broken G28 shows up and I had an idea... Until this year, I always preferred my guns having a dedicated setup. My M27 stays as it is, its sights are zeroed, I dont pull attachments from other guns, etc. However, with me recently turning my VFC Jag Arms PHX-15 SBR (see previous page) into a hybrid Krytac LMG with a second upper, I started thinking of doing the same with my G28 LE. I mean, if I built a lower based around trigger response why wouldn't it work in a DMR as well as a BR? So I began working on it. In this period I saw the news from SHOT that HK had revamped their 417 program into a new model - the HK 417a2. Shiny, new, not made in airsoft to date, and best of all - in RAL8000, just like my spare G28 receivers. So to begin I stripped the 417 sniper parts off the standard and sold them. No need for them, so why not. Ill make someone else happy. Bought a 417 short rail off someone selling one. Ordered a short outer barrel and gas impingement system from VFC. Started asking for quotes from various techs I trust on AEG gearboxes. Started looking into HPA as well, cause why not. Decided to go HPA as it'd be about the same cost, and more importantly, much quieter. Ordered a REVO kit from Italy (3D printed kit that allows the G28 to take aftermarket triggers, more HPA engines, standard M4 hops, and more). Ordered one of the new Wolverine Reaper Gen 2 Premium engines. Ordered a speed trigger, the internals needed to make the revo kit work, and an r-hopped barrel from the guy I always get my barrels from. Then it was onto externals. Ordered a fully trademarked Eotech XPS, G33 magnifier, KAC irons (closest I could find to gen 2 HK 417 irons - wasnt going to pay that much for the real thing - the rear sight alone is $300...), a Magpul AFG, a Surefire M600DF, and one of my signature blue-lasered PEQs. Rail arrived, and it sent it off with another project that will be unveiled here soon to be cerakoted in RAL8000. Rail returns, and most attachments come in. Decide I need a case, so pick up a Eylar 53in rifle case. Big, but i figured I'd need it. Case arrives, REVO kit arrives, Reaper arrives, bipod ordered and arrives. Install what I can, but Im still waiting for the order from VFC. Rest of the externals come in. Barrel from VFC finally arrived this morning, so in it went, gun went together, foam was plucked, and the HK 417a2/G28 project was complete. Now I can switch back and forth from G28 or 417a2 on the field depending on the role I want to play. The REVO kit also allows for full auto, so if the game allows it that is available. A fun project, a real head-turner (I hope), and it should have excellent range and accuracy. Im happy. Every part that should be is also trademarked, which really adds to the overall look.

Never thought I would get hold of one, with around only 20 being made, but luck was on my side with this one, a Nato Works SCP-90 the only AR70 variant on the airsoft market at the moment

And a massive suppressor to cover the extended km head tb barrel even though you cylinder volume was too small. Started around 2001 iirc. Closest site to us was the old Phoenix mill site, so we found our own places to hire or borrow more locally. My group still play as a private group to this day . Its how a lot of the long established sites started.

After owning them for about 13 years, I only just realised my WAS pistol mag pouches were adjustable and therefore do fit my mk23 magazines...

Don’t let age stop you, I started in February this year (just in time for that virus thing) at the not so tender age of 41! And I have a mild arrhythmia of the heart along with being apparently obese according to the Nhs 🧁 🍰 Apart from being being a little slower than the other youths due to my abundance of ballast and bodily defects, the sport is still immense fun and I wasn’t the only slightly older person there either. You’ve picked a great forum to join too, there’s many, many knowledgeable folk here with great advice and perspectives (not me btw I’m a noob) and you’ll be very unlucky not to find the info you need here. I was a soldier many moons past and found the whole experience pleasantly reminiscent of those days, indeed the community in general could not be more friendly and you’ll find that as you progress. As has been discussed elsewhere here it’s good practice to ignore some of the inflammatory YouTube content and go to a site for yourself. Oh and watch out for the accumulation of gear, it can catch you up if you’re not careful! I have everything bar a gun so far without actually intending to buy any of it! Enjoy!

Basically I'm interested in hearing stories and seeing pictures from people who started playing 15-20 years ago or even further back. Nowadays we're swamped with Novritsh, clickbait videos, 60 rounds per second and "Gucci guns"....take us back to a simpler time!

For your mp5: Gate Titan, sorbo pad with plenty of ptfe tape, R-Hop and then send it to Luke.

600mAh for a ‘mini’ or ‘stick’ battery, 1300-1700mAH for a ‘large’ one. I remember coming home on leave in 2001 and blowing £450 on a Classic Army MP5 from Wolf Armouries. Anyone here play at Airsoft Adventures at Greenham Common. Still my favourite Airsoft site to date.

Did it come from Scotland by any chance? Absolutely excellent find. Genuinely chuffed for you that you've managed to get hold of one btw. What's it actually like?

I started playing Airsoft when the first AEG TM Mp5's and FAMAS's started to be available in the UK. So we are talking 1996ish. I remember the date because I had to lie about my age to get a springer glock from Rebel Troop in Reading. Airsoft back then was pretty comical. Everyone ran a springer except for maybe 1 person who could afford a famas. Very little camo on the whole and people wore those B&Q plastic goggles for protection. The first game I played was somewhere in Reading. Might have been Mapledurham, but its so long ago now. I remember the game well. I had 3 mags. Which meant in relative terms, I was the geardo. We all ran around and shot each other fairly close because not all BB guns back then had a hop. ( The good hop ones had gold barrels.. oooo fancy ) There was one guy there who had a SA80 Springer and because it had a scope on it. We all thought he was the pro'est thing on the planet. There as no chrono but everything else was much the same. I did it for a few weeks and honestly, it was kinda lame. Truly no one had AEG's or any real range back then. Everything good was crazy expensive. An Mp5 AEG back then was about £280 and we are talking 1996. I dropped out for a few years and picked it back up again in about 2001/2. Again went to Rebel Troop and bought a TM M4. 1 Spare Mag, a TN barrel and a silencer cover. Back then people really bigged up the properties of tightbores. Ran it for a couple of games. Sent it to Airsoft Armouries for a power upgrade. It came back and had been modded to take a 9.6 3000 battery in a bag on the stock. ( Ghetto ) From there I played with the same gun for a long time. Still back them no one chrono'd and the rules of airsoft where kind of fluffy from site to site. I finally started going to Stirling Airsoft and they were the best days ever. No real worries about safety or FPS, and no one got hurt as it was still quite a small community. About a year after i got my gun back from AA, it was chrono'd at a game and was running 420fps. Ah fun times. They still let me play at FireFight on that day and just politely asked for me to clip the spring. So how is that for old school airsoft?

Started out in 1996 at Rebel Troop / Firefight in Reading. Gun choice was pretty much TM or TM. Don’t ever remember seeing a chrono in those days. FPS limits seemed to be whatever you could get the gearbox to do before it shit itself

At least you used a classic reference and didn't just parrot "OK Boomer"! Hey give it 30 years and people will be saying "During the Corona..."

personally no i've only been to the cqb site so far but i've booked on for their 12 hour survivor game in august may try get a game in there beforehand though

My advise is this: Find what works for you, unfortunately this could take a while and after you have spend a lot of money. Start slowly and only buy things which solve a problem, ie need something to carry mags, get a rig of some kind, found yourself needing extra storage, add pouches etc. Speak to other players about kit and what they use and why. Use the combined knowledge of this forum, we all play different styles, have different budgets and limits and will give you multiple answers based on varying experiences, but at least one of the replies will be the correct one for you. Good luck working out which Airsoft is extremely personal, there are hundreds of choices for everything from boots and gloves to eye protection and guns. plus everyone has an opinion and Airsofters like most niche hobbies have people with strong opinions. Dont put too much sway in what you read or are told as gospel as you will need to make up your own mind. Gear, is a hard subject as all you need to play is eye pro and ideally a gun of some kind (but you could get into a game and on the field with JUST eye pro). Everything else is either useful or to show off. Plenty of people are happy with jeans and a hoodie and others Are happy spending 2k on what they wear to look a certain way. Boots are always a good idea, and you can get surplus army boots or hiking boots from almost anywhere. likewise with guns, a kill from an £80 entry lever gun is just as effective as a 2k upgraded machine of death. Find your limits especially when starting off, go slowly with it. Sites vary greatly too, from woodland, scrubland, urban and cqb and sites which try to have a mixture, be careful as rules can vary from site to site too. Find one you enjoy playing at, with rules your happy with and with/against a typical clientele you don’t mind mixing in. I won’t name and shame but a group of regulars at a site near me has put me off returning.

Hi there, welcome! I'm not local to you, so can't comment on sites. Nothing wrong with being a mature participant. I took it up aged 32/33 and that was three years ago now. As you mentioned, it's a good way of getting some exercise and fresh air. Plus nothing wrong with having your own hobbies! (remember to tell yourself that when you've got £3k of toys sitting in your spare room), Sturdy boots are pretty obvious but also find some eye/face protection that you get along with. Don''t stress about buying gear/guns. While you doing your three games to get UKARA, you can ask people to hold and shoot their guns. In my experience the average airsofter is happy to show you their equipment. What looks cool on a website may feel unbalanced and unergonomic in the hand. *Disclaimer - mine was from a pre-COVID stance*

I can't think of a non- new player friendly site, maybe some events cater for more experienced airsofters sure but for the most part I find airsoft events a friendly atmosphere, its really nothing to worry about. When I skirmish solo I normally end up tagging along with people during the game and some people to shoot the breeze with during lunch break. One issue I can foresee is lots of site aren't doing rental equipment due to the coronavirus but of course YMMV. I'd take a look at local sites on youtube/facebook to get an idea and take it from there. Airsoft is a super weird hobby with an insane amount of potential - there really is something for everyone. I love it so much!!! Enjoy!

Don’t let your age put you off playing,!!! at 46 I am the youngest in our group who play together...... one of our lads has had 2 strokes, kicking close to 60 and still kicks ass when he gets out there As my dad told me, it’s not the dog in the fight, it’s the fight in the dog 😉

You can fill them up. Put the empty can in the freezer (helps it fill properly) and find a piece of tubing to fill nozzle to nozzle. I used a bit of biro tube before but needs stretching

Welcome youngster, I'm 52 & just become a granddad, that makes you feel old. Age is immaterial, personally I'll keep playing for as long as it remains fun, & the old bones will let me lol.

Since lockdown turned off the fun tap, I found I couldn't bear to talk or even think about airsoft without being able to play, thus the absence. It's not you, it's me. But with the latest Scotch.gov announcement today being as clear as mud about when our indoor-outdoor-contact-non-contact-sports-hobby-event will be allowed to restart, I've finally cracked. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU Phew. What have I been doing? Dreaming about airsoft (really), and getting my tech on. DIYing mosfets, a surprising number of which haven't shorted out yet. Upgrading this, optimising the other, dialling everything in to 340-ish FPS. Tracer hop units. Getting my project CYMA M4 back into working order and discovering that the stock gearbox and motor are actually pretty decent if you get them shimmed, lubed and well fed with electrons. Even shoehorning a 1200mAh lipo and mosfet into an over-sprung AEP and getting some pretty snappy response out of it at 250fps. The one failure so far is the lonnnnng V3 trigger pull on my MP5K, which has defeated better bodgers than me. It's a fine balancing act of quicker contact vs non-cutting cut-off, but it looks like I'll have more time to work on it now. 😢 Well, I'll go and check what you reprobates have been up to. Nothing sensible, I trust.

Hi Guys, At the subtle age of 33, I've suddenly found myself very interested in airsoft. Whether that's my body telling me to get some more exercise or my mind telling me to get away from the wife and kids for a bit, I dont know 😂 Never done it before (done the odd bit of paintballing but mainly part of stag dos, so didn't have much structure to it). I live literally on the border of Dudley and Wolverhampton, so have a few places to try out. Obviously going to be rental a few times to see if its actually for me but do you guys have any individual sites near my location that you would recommend as being newbie friendly, I just want to have fun and learn as I go along and cant be arsed to deal with arseholes (the odd one don't bother me) or cliques that will put me off. Any particular tips, tricks and advice you would give to a virgin to the sport like me? Thanks in advance. P.S. While browsing multiple tabs it appears I inadvertently posted this in general chat rather than the new players forum, so apologies (if a moderator sees this, can you please move it over for me, cheers!)

I've asked about getting a set of Bolle tracker II inserts glazed in Specsavers. I think they said it'd be like £30-£40 but I think it'd be cheaper from somewhere more specialised. Look for tactical optician

Cheers dude, I'll check them out and hopefully bump into you at one of the events!

gutted my g&g rk-74e....................first time teching fucked off the g&g mosfet and fitted a perun new 16.1 gears (shimmed right on the 5th try) 30k infinity motor everything replaced in the gearbox formerly shooting 260 fps at 17rps now shooting 340fps at 24rps so far so good it hasn't destroyed itself

Dare I ask, how much did that set you back?

Stretch has noticed you've been missing, Borg. I won a Marui USP in a raffle.. highlight of lockdown 😎

am i supposed to know you?

Crikey... that shit is for real? 😱 I mean it looks like a Hasbro toy! My nerf gun which is blue and red looks more better than that ICS lol What is it with TAN coloured guns looking so plastic? Ein bier bitte 🤣

Blimey, that's you when you started? You must be a real life Benjamin Button then....or typing from beyond the grave 🤔 RPS and FPS..."My gun only shoots 335 - 340fps, anyone know how I can get it to 349.9?"

why do I have an image of uncle albert come to mind during the war.............

Thanks guys, I really appreciate you taking the time to comment, gives me even more enthusiasm to get involved. Seems like a great community over here and hopefully as I learn, I can contribute something back to it. 👍

@Brophy 👋 Welcome to forum, doesn’t matter what age you start, granted I wish I started earlier! 😜👍 Not the best time sadly, but if you can sort out a rental and be safe, have fun! 🤞 Check out what sites are near you, find out which one you want, as your local site? 🤔 People will help on this forum! 👍 One of the best sources is YouTube, during this whole time, unable to play I put some videos up, waiting to play again! 🔫 Hope this helps? 😎👍 💷GAMBLE💷

Why not simply replace the leaky O-rings with new ones?

Please don't buy stuff off ebay like this - AFAIK Mk7 helmets haven't been released for public sale yet and even if they have certainly shouldn't be on eBay. They remain the property of the MOD and shouldn't be sold by private individuals - its theft. If you need to buy ex-military gear please go via a shop that will have got it via the correct disposal methods.

TM MWS 🙄 again 🥰😆

Honestly I feel old on some game days at 35. Some skirmish sites do seem to be 90% under 25 but it's not like anyone really cares. As someone has already mentioned 45 isn't ancient and as long as you feel you can still have a good time whether that be storming ahead with a rifle/SMG or hanging back and sniping, then get involved! The collecting side is also very appealing once you have your UKARA sorted as the guns are very realistic but as long as you are wearing eyepro and are sensible, they're not particularly dangerous.

You see all ages, shapes and types at Airsoft. No one will blink an eye at you turning up to a game. the best thing you could do is put the doubts out of your mind and get playing, I’m sure you will enjoy it

Hey guys, so I watched @Bada Bing's beautiful MTR-16 review and caved in and bought one. First post here. I was so impressed with the performance I decided to make a montage of a day's worth of gameplay with it. 😀 It's not your typical gameplay and any sort of feedback or support would be greatly appreciated. If this isn't allowed let me know. I've put about 3000 rounds through the MTR-16 so far and it's running strong. I had to shave down the trigger guard to get the Ace 1 Arms PMAGs to fit, and they had a rough break in period where they would jam the gun every half dozen mags or so and eventually the locking lugs of my Angry Gun NPAS nozzle broke off (Thankfully somehow still working!). The gun itself is fantastic, no complaints. It gets tons of compliments on the field every time I take it out, and people love shooting it. I have only upgraded the buffer to a G&P adjustable one, used the Angry Gun NPAS nozzle for FPS adjustment, and fitted a Maple Leaf MR Hop bucking for that sweet sweet range. Surprisingly it out-ranges most AEGs on the field even at the same joule level. I also tried the TNT bucking but that one was just not consistent enough for my liking, there was a break-in period of 500 rounds where it just kept hooking left and right and I couldn't deal with the lateral inconsistency. So I went back to my Maple Leaf MR Hop and it's been serving me faithfully since. The strange thing about the TNT bucking is that it has better vertical consistency than the Maple Leaf MR Hop, but worse lateral deviation. The MR Hop has better lateral deviation and slightly worse vertical dispersion, though the overall grouping favors the MR Hop because vertical dispersion is easier to adjust than lateral. Not surprisingly, inner barrel length or diameter has very little effect, if any, on my MTR. I used a Maple Leaf 410mm inner barrel and it did raise the joules quite a bit, but effect on either accuracy or range was negligible. I'm fairly certain 90% of the accuracy comes from having good tolerances with no wobbly parts, consistent gas output, and a really good bucking/nub combo. I prefer the stock barrel because I don't want insane joule creep. I've also upgraded to propane and noticed it doesn't smell half bad. I'm used to smelly smells (mostly from fermented Korean food). Oh and the best part - my MTR-16 G Edition did not come with red loctite on the barrel nut (though there was red loctite on the handguard screw threads). Strange! And quite thankful. I can strip it down to the upper and chamber in a matter of minutes without having to exert enough pressure to crush carbon into diamonds. I do have one issue with it - on the stock bucking and TNT bucking, the gun has no issue dumping a full mag accurately on full auto. However, on the MR Hop, the gun will shoot a few BBs fine, then a couple BBs will drop out of the end of the barrel with 0 hop. Basically my spray pattern is a mix of straight BBs and dropping BBs. I'm 99% sure it's the Maple Leaf MR Hop bucking but I don't use it on full auto enough to warrant changing anything yet. It could also be because I'm using a 70 degree bucking at 1.2-1.4 joules which is a little bit harder than most people would use. Maybe I will remove the metal bucking stabilizing ring and see if that has any effect. I can't wait for what TM has in store for their AK GBBR on July 17th when they'll finally reveal it.

Lol, another young whipper snapper. I'm 51 and our group has a 60 year old 😁 Not in that area unfortunately but I've heard Dog Tag is a good site so you're bound to meet some good peeps.

Welcome .

Taken straight from the film “Snatch” ?? (not the xxx version!!😂)

Having previously been a journalist, I can say that TV and news will always do this. They won't say "they found some toy guns" because it isn't catchy. News is all about sensationalising everything, so if they find airsoft guns it's going to be "they found a large collection of assorted firearms, including handguns and an AR-15" There's a reason I chose a different career path in the end.

I know of at least one retailer who considers the CSI CR5 exempt as it's not based on any real firearm and cant be considered realistic. Not sure if I agree with it personally. Its not exactly in the spirit of the regulations. However to the OP. The fault is with the retailer if there is any. You are fine to field it no problem.

Moderator Message I have revoked his membership of the forum because his trading activity does not appear to be commensurate with the ideals of this forum.

Your post could be interpreted as “legal under the constitution” but not State & Federal, which is argument of some 2nd amendmenters that they can just disregard state or federal law if they feel fit

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