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Game uniform requirements for my team was to wear woodland camouflage. Urban camo patterns are beyond useless either way, there's no reliable way to conceal yourself when your backdrop is bricks and white painted walls.

 

Fair one, urban camo uniforms are pretty much Operation Broken Pencil! totally pointless! The best cam is your field craft and personal skills, especially in an urban/CQB environment, cover from view and cover from fire, use of shadows etc.

We did use to employ an urban cam on AVs in Berlin, a block pattern of black/white/grey, but thankfully that never made it on to clothing!!

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Game uniform requirements for my team was to wear woodland camouflage. Urban camo patterns are beyond useless either way, there's no reliable way to conceal yourself when your backdrop is bricks and white painted walls.

 

Fair enough if it was a requirement to wear a certain pattern, and obviously in that case it aids with recognition between friend and foe, which is of course one of the other purposes of specific camp patterns.

 

Having said that, I'm sure most of us are aware that camouflage is not merely about attempting complete concealment, its other purpose is to break up outlines in order to make rapid recognition and range finding more difficult for your enemy even when they do spot you, which it does through the function of not appearing as a recognisable shape for your enemy to process mentally when his eyes make saccade sweeps. There's little doubt that any sort of foliage pattern isn't going to do a great job of that against urban backdrops, since the tonal ranges are so different, urban camouflage will make that mental recognition process from a saccade sweep slower for an enemy, which is why such patterns are developed, although I'm inclined to think something like Finnish Snow Pattern might arguably do as well in an urban environment.

 

It's interesting to note that few militaries have actually officially adopted any urban camouflage patterns, whereas they do get used a lot by Military SF and SWAT units quite regularly, since they have found them to be more effective when deployed to urban areas. I suppose this is a case of horses for courses and also a testament to the notion that that Military Intelligence is indeed sometimes a contradiction in terms in the light of that evidence. Those of us who were around in the Seventies will doubtless recall how ridiculous and indeed scandalous it was that British troops had to patrol around the streets of Belfast wearing woodland camouflage patterns, which made them stick out like a sore thumb, whilst carrying FNs and SLRs suitable for engaging targets a long ranges, as opposed to something more suited to engaging a target across the street from them, as was likely to be the case. Meaning neither the troop's clothing nor his weapon was suited to the task at hand. Some things never change of course, more recently during the 1991 Gulf War, the first troops out to the region were being sent out with green woodland pattern battledress whilst riding vehicles still painted in olive drab patterns designed for combat on the plains of Germany during the Cold War. So once again the old saying about the British Army being 'the best trained and the worst equipped' was true.

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It's interesting to note that few militaries have actually officially adopted any urban camouflage patterns, whereas they do get used a lot by Military SF and SWAT units quite regularly, since they have found them to be more effective when deployed to urban areas. I suppose this is a case of horses for courses and also a testament to the notion that that Military Intelligence is indeed sometimes a contradiction in terms in the light of that evidence. Those of us who were around in the Seventies will doubtless recall how ridiculous and indeed scandalous it was that British troops had to patrol around the streets of Belfast wearing woodland camouflage patterns, which made them stick out like a sore thumb, whilst carrying FNs and SLRs suitable for engaging targets a long ranges, as opposed to something more suited to engaging a target across the street from them, as was likely to be the case. Meaning neither the troop's clothing nor his weapon was suited to the task at hand. Some things never change of course, more recently during the 1991 Gulf War, the first troops out to the region were being sent out with green woodland pattern battledress whilst riding vehicles still painted in olive drab patterns designed for combat on the plains of Germany during the Cold War. So once again the old saying about the British Army being 'the best trained and the worst equipped' was true.

 

You're right about the suitability of the SLR for close quarters work but ISTR that they also had access to the Stirling SMG at the time if need be. Also - worth remembering that sometimes a uniform is NOT for concealment but for a show of force. The British patrols in NI weren't always looking to be concealed they needed to be seen as a deterrent. We had plenty of undercover types in plain clothes for concealment when the situation required (the best way to blend in for an urban environment is just jeans and a jacket after all). Some US police forces have adopted ATACS LE for the same reason, not because it hides them in an urban environment (let's face it - anyone wearing a dark uniform, tac vest and ballistic helmet is going to stick out in a shopping mall) but to look imposing and be a show of force.

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True, that almost certainly was the intent of the British Government in deploying troops to Northern Ireland, but most people I know who actually had to walk those streets dressed like that would have preferred to be hidden! Ironically enough, everyone i know who served in NI, almost to a man, says the average person was great with them and the last thing they wanted to do was to be throwing their weight around. Having been personally threatened by the IRA back in the Seventies (long story, and water under the bridge in these more peaceful times, so I won't bore people with it), I can well understand the desire of guys with their boots on the ground to be hidden as best they can. :)

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True, that almost certainly was the intent of the British Government in deploying troops to Northern Ireland, but most people I know who actually had to walk those streets dressed like that would have preferred to be hidden! Ironically enough, everyone i know who served in NI, almost to a man, says the average person was great with them and the last thing they wanted to do was to be throwing their weight around. Having been personally threatened by the IRA back in the Seventies (long story, and ancient history, so I won't bore people with it), I can well understand the desire of guys with their boots on the ground to be hidden as best they can. :)

 

Oh I don't doubt that for a second, but then there is a well documented gulf between the operational requirements of a government and the individual desire of the rank and file infantryman! Having followed an armoured patrol through Coleraine as recently as the 90's having an SA80 pointed straight at me, nobody could accuse them of trying to hide!

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Yeah, as you say, sometimes a show of force might not be a bad thing. If you ever go to Galway during the races (which you should, cos it's a great time, even if you don't like horse racing), you'll see the money being delivered to the town's bookies in an armoured truck (apparently it's carrying several million quid), and that thing has soldiers with rifles walking in front of it as it drives into the town, and that's Southern Ireland!

 

Ireland's a great country, I love it, but they're as mad as a box of frogs, not as bonkers as they are in Finland (which is also a great country), but pretty close ^_^

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My Soviet Paratrooper loadout:

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KIT LIST:

Berezka bandana

Customised ESS Advancer V12 (mesh replacement lenses) boooo hissssssssssss!

Berezka KZS 2 piece suit

VDV Telnyashka (striped vest)

RD-54 (backpack & harness)

Soviet prototype pig's bladder hydration system ;)

Faux leather Soviet soldiers' belt

VDV 4 cell AK mag case (carrying 4 plum AK-74 midcaps + 1 more in gun)

2 cell + pocket 1st aid pouch (holding Thunder B CO2 grenade, smoke bomb, Cook's Matches striker & spare shotgun primers)

Customised GP-7 respirator bag (dump pouch)

Leather Pistolet Makarova holster

Soviet prototype yak hair seat pad ;)

Warsaw Pact cold weather liner pants & braces

Soviet prototype bakelite kneepads ;) (Hatch Centurion under KZS kecks)

German para boots (smuggled across the Berlin Wall)

Morena my modified CYMA CM.048 AK-74

Umarex Makarov with PPS refillable bulb approx 355FPS when filled with CO2 only, which is fine at Skirmish (368FPS hard limit without MED)

Ohshiboom impact BFG w/ shotgun primer adapter (in 1 cell of RD-54 grenade pouch / lighter and sweeties in other cell)

Bunch of MK5 pyros in 1 cell of RD-54's 2 cell AK mag pouch (couldn't get NH_Shooter's MK5 holders to look right on this rig, so just used the striker on a bit of velcro around the left RD-54 shoulder strap)

CYMA AK-74 flash mag hicap in the other cell of the RD-54's mag pouch

Bubblewrap filling the side pockets of the RD-54 to bulk it out.

Unknown make modified mesh 1/2 face mask.

Modified knock off Oakley gloves.

 

This loadout really needs a rubber AK-74 bayonet. A rubber spade would be even better, but this RD-54 does not have the upside down spade pouch on the back, although I expect I could sew one of the normal Soviet spade covers onto it.

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Atacs FG loadout and first day running my SMP

 

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The perspective makes you look like a dawf at first glance. :P

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The perspective makes you look like a dawf at first glance. :P

Makes the guy behind actually standing up look even more dwarvish :)

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A-TACS :D hhnnnhg so nice

Can't keep buying different camos / load outs tho

I got shut of two of my loadouts to get Atacs FG and its decent. Really like it. The two things I hate about it though is the price for some of the kit and the fact there's not much available with different bits.
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So following on from Crimbo, here's my updated load-out....

 

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From head to toe:

Emmerson FAST helmet in Multicam

Canis Latrans PVS14 clone NV monocle

Manta sytle blue/white strobe

Element Gen 2 light

MoD Issue ICE ESS Eye pro

MoD Issue UBACS in MTP

WAS DCS in Multicam

Bowman/Harris PRC344 personal role radio, head set and remote pressel

MoD Issue IR Firefly strobe light

3 litre Camelbak in Multicam

Tactical Tailor removable operator pack 3500 in Mulitcam

Viper spec ops rigger belt in coyote

IMI Defense Z1500 holster and double mag pouches on IMI Defense low ride tactical attachments

Karimoor SF folding dump pouch in Multicam

Blackhawk PRL

OPS integrated battle pants with built in knee pads in ripstop Multicam

Salomon Quest 4D GTX boots

 

Rifle, WE H&K 416 GBBR (with trades) modified with RA Tech inner barrel, NPAS and summer spring, crane stock, Fab Defense AG 43 pistol grip, clone MBUS flip up back up sites, ACM FTS x3, clone Eotech 552, clone PEQ 15 laser & light, 1800 lumens Cree XM-L T6 light, ASG tactical foregrip, ASG B&T tracer unit/suppressor and a clone MAGPUL single/dual point sling. Camo paint, krylon tan, dark brown olive green and forest green, done by myself.

 

Pistol, TM Sig Saur P226, fitted with a full Guarder metal kit, (body, slide and barrel + springs) and an ACM laser/light.

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Gotta respect the commitment, Cavninja. Shame it's gone into what is ultimately a spiffy version of what at least 60% of UK airsofters are wearing & carrying. Just imagine how individual you could have been with a Modern Russian loadout... there are so many patterns of camo and uniform cut that you could be pretty certain to be the only one in the UK...

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Gotta respect the commitment, Cavninja. Shame it's gone into what is ultimately a spiffy version of what at least 60% of UK airsofters are wearing & carrying. Just imagine how individual you could have been with a Modern Russian loadout... there are so many patterns of camo and uniform cut that you could be pretty certain to be the only one in the UK...

Cheers Ian, fair one, but I just like multicam! lol sad but true

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So following on from Crimbo, here's my updated load-out....

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Nice loadout dude.
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Was it really necessary to quote the whole of Cavninja's post just to ask a simple question? You could have just put his name in the question and not bothered with the quote at all ffs!

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It would appear so, made it more visually appealing :P

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Cavninja, how are those boots? I just got exactly the same pair for christmas but I haven't had a chance to get out and give them a go yet. Specifically, how waterproof are they?

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Cavninja, how are those boots? I just got exactly the same pair for christmas but I haven't had a chance to get out and give them a go yet. Specifically, how waterproof are they?

 

Very comfy, I've only done a couple of CQB skirmishes with them so far, so not really put them through their full paces. I had planned some decent hill walking between Christmas and New Year, but i think it'd be a bit daft given the current weather conditions. I've used Salomon boots for years and worn them in some atrocious conditions and they've always served me well, very comfortable and very water proof.

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That's great news... I've been on the same boots myself for 4 years, mainly because I bought a pair for an expedition and by the time I was done with the 3 months, they were completely dead. I then got a free pair of the same the second time around, because the shop I bought them from said they were just poorly made... But I have the same problem happening again - sole coming off and absolutely NO waterproof quality at all.

 

I've been hoping for a good pair that will keep my feet dry and it sounds like I've found them!

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Emerson replica Crye MC Combat Pants

Mechanix MC Fast Fits

Kombat UK Fleece / Hoodie

Custom mesh lower face mask

ASG Strike Systems Goggles

Bulle shemagh

Emerson FAST Helmet (economy / cheap version)

 

Using a Bulle Recon Harness with WAS pouches but want to get a WAS Nemesis

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